Math Help: Solving Equations with Logarithms and Square Roots

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The discussion revolves around solving equations involving logarithms and square roots. The original poster seeks assistance in expressing a variable in terms of another and proving a mathematical identity.

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  • Participants explore different algebraic manipulations to express n in terms of X and to simplify the given expression involving square roots. Some participants question the steps taken and suggest alternative approaches to reach the desired forms.

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Several participants have contributed various insights and methods, with some offering guidance on how to manipulate the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problems, particularly regarding the simplification of the square root expression.

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1) I need to express n in terms of X in this equation:

[tex]X = \frac {10^n-1} {10^n}[/tex]

I got to this so far but I don't know if I'm on the right path or not and I don't know how to continue:

[tex]\log {X} + n = \log {(10^n-1)}[/tex]

2) I have to prove this:

[tex]\frac {1} {\sqrt{4-2\sqrt {3}}} = \frac {\sqrt{3}+1} {2}[/tex]

Don't know how to continue from here:

[tex]\frac {\sqrt{2} \sqrt {2+\sqrt {3}}} {2}[/tex]
 
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For number one:
[tex]X = \frac {10^n-1} {10^n}[/tex]
[tex]X = 1 - \frac {1} {10^n}[/tex]
Which gives you:
[tex]1 - X = \frac {1} {10^n}[/tex]

Can you go from here?
 
For (2), note that:

[tex]1+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}=(a+b)^2[/tex]

a and b has to be the expression you're trying to show right?
 
[tex]2 = (\sqrt{3}+1) {\sqrt{4-2\sqrt {3}}}[/tex]
[tex]4 = (\sqrt{3}+1)^2 (4-2\sqrt {3})[/tex]

Now expand the square, then expand everything, then simplify to show left = right.
 
This is the answer for the first one, isn't it?

[tex]n = -\log {(1-X)}[/tex]

It was easy, but I don't know why I couldn't do it. Thanks a lot.

I'm having serious trouble with the second one

EnumaElish said:
[tex]2 = (\sqrt{3}+1) {\sqrt{4-2\sqrt {3}}}[/tex]
[tex]4 = (\sqrt{3}+1)^2 (4-2\sqrt {3})[/tex]

Now expand the square, then expand everything, then simplify to show left = right.

I suppose you got those equalities by rearranging the terms in the first equation. The thing is that the problem just says simplify:

[tex]\frac {1} {\sqrt{4-2\sqrt {3}}}[/tex]

I'm sorry, it was my mistake. The second part is the answer given by the teacher.
 
Also, do you mean I have to replace those equations in

[tex]\sqrt{4+2\sqrt {3}[/tex]

to get

[tex]\sqrt {(\sqrt{3}+1)^2 (4-2\sqrt {3}) + [(\sqrt{3}+1) {\sqrt{4-2\sqrt {3}}}] \sqrt {3}}[/tex]
 
Okay. Here is what you should do :
You know that:
[tex](\alpha + \beta) ^ 2 = \alpha ^ 2 + 2\alpha \beta + \beta ^ 2[/tex]
You will try to arrange [tex]\aqrt{4 - 2 \sqrt{3}}[/tex] into something like: [tex](\alpha + \beta) ^ 2[/tex] Then you can easily take the square root of it.
So you have [tex]\alpha ^ 2 + \beta ^ 2 = 4 \mbox{, and } \alpha \beta = -\sqrt{3}[/tex]
Can you solve for [itex]\alpha[/itex], and [itex]\beta[/itex]?
Then can you solve : [tex]\sqrt{(\alpha + \beta) ^ 2}[/tex]? Just remember that:
[tex]\sqrt{A ^ 2} = |A|[/tex]
Viet Dao,
 
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I finally did it. Thanks a lot Viet Dao. I would never have guessed I had to do that.
 

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