Solving the Equation: (-y/x^2)dx+(1/x)dy=d(y/x)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between the differential expression (-y/x^2)dx+(1/x)dy and the derivative d(y/x). Participants explore the definitions and implications of these mathematical expressions within the context of calculus and differential equations.

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  • Participants examine the transition from the left side of the equation to the right side, questioning how one might arrive at d(y/x) without prior exposure to it. There is a focus on the definitions of derivatives and the application of the product rule in differentiation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the definitions and properties of derivatives, while others express confusion about the underlying concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of how to interpret the relationship between the differentials and the potential existence of a constant of integration.

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Participants note that understanding the definitions is crucial for grasping the concepts being discussed. There is mention of textbook references that may contain relevant information on exact differentials and integrals independent of path.

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why does (-y/x^2)dx+(1/x)dy=d(y/x)?
 
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because
[tex]df=\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}dy[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(\frac{y}{x})=\frac{-y}{x^2}[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial y}(\frac{y}{x})=\frac{1}{x}[/tex]
 
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but how do you think of going from the left side to the right side if you haven't seen the right side before?
 
it's hard to understand...
 
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{y}{x})= \frac{d}{dx} (y*\frac{1}{x})[/tex]

If one has done the derivative of a product, then one knows -

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(u(x)*v(x))= v(x) * \frac{d}{dx} u(x) + u(x) * \frac{d}{dx} v(x)[/tex]

This can be verified with the definition of the derivative.

Then [tex]\frac{d}{dx}(\frac{1}{x})= -\frac{1}{x^2}[/tex],

which can also be shown using the definition of the derivative.
 
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it's hard to understand...


no it isn't, it's a definition. if you don't know what the definitions are then of course it will seem hard, but this is exactly what the notation means.
 
Yes, it is clear that [tex]d\frac{y}{x}= -\frac{y}{x^2}dx+ \frac{1}{x}dx[/tex] because [tex]\frac{d(\frac{a}{x})}{dx}= -\frac{a}{x^2}[/tex] for any constant a and [tex]\frac{d(\frac{y}{a})}{dy}= \frac{1}{a}[/tex] for any constant a.

But how would you go from [tex]-\frac{y}{x^2}dx+ \frac{1}{x}dx[/tex] to [tex]d{(\frac{y}{x})}[/tex]? That, I think, is the question being asked and I'll bet it's in your textbook: look under "exact differentials" or "integrals independent of path". (Actually, going that direction gives a more general answer- you have a "constant of integration".)

You know that [tex]dF(x,y)= \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y} dy[/tex]. So whatever F is, if [tex]dF= -\frac{y}{x^2}dx+ \frac{1}{x}dx[/tex] then we must have [tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}= -\frac{y}{x^2}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= \frac{1}{x}[/tex].

In particular, taking the anti-derivative of [tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}= -\frac{y}{x^2}[/tex] , we have (remembering that the partial derivative treats y like a constant), [tex]F(x,y)= \frac{y}{x}+ g(y)[/tex] because the anti-derivative of [tex]\frac{a}{x^2}= ax^{-2}[/tex] is -ax-1 and here a is -y. Notice that g(y)! That's the "constant" of integration- no matter what function of y g is, taking the partial derivative with respect to x is 0.

Now, differentiate that with respect to y: [tex]\frac{\partial \frac{y}{x}+ g(y)}{\partial y}= \frac{1}{x}+ g'(y)[/tex] (Since g is a function of y only, the derivative of g is an ordinary derivative). Now compare that with [tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= \frac{1}{x}[/tex]. We must have [tex]\frac{1}{x}+ g'(y)= \frac{1}{x}[/tex] which just tells us that g'(y)= 0 so g(y) really is a constant!

[tex]F(x,y)= \frac{y}{x}+ C[/tex] or [tex]d(\frac{y}{x}+C)= -\frac{y}{x^2}dx+ \frac{1}{x}dx[/tex]. Of course, your example is taking C= 0.
 
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thank you! :) that clears a lot of things up~
 

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