Matrix Multiplication: Column Swapping Effects

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The discussion revolves around the effects of swapping columns in one of the matrices during matrix multiplication. Participants are exploring whether such rearrangements influence the resulting product of the matrices.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants suggest experimenting with specific matrix examples to observe the effects of column swapping. Others reference the definition of matrix multiplication to support their points. There are also discussions about the associative and commutative properties of matrix multiplication, with some questioning their relevance to the original query.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the relationship between column swapping and matrix multiplication properties, but no consensus has been reached. Some participants express confusion about the relevance of certain points raised.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about matrix properties and the implications of rearranging columns, with some acknowledging misunderstandings in the discussion flow.

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when you're multiplying two matrices together does it affect the answer at all if you swap the columns around in one of the matrices?
 
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Karate Chop said:
when you're multiplying two matrices together does it affect the answer at all if you swap the columns around in one of the matrices?

yes it does, just look at the defnition of matrix multiplication :

[tex](AB)_{ij} = \Sigma_k a_{ik}b_{kj}[/tex]

try for yourself with an example

Here is some extra info : Matrix Multiplication
marlon
 
Did you consider doing a little experimentation?

What is [tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc}1&2\\3&2\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{ccc}2&-1\\2&1\end{array}\right)[/tex]?

Is that the same as [tex]\left( \begin{array}{ccc}1&2\\3&2\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{ccc}-1&2\\1&2\end{array}\right)[/tex]?
 
Matrix multiplication is associative but not commutative.

E.g. A(BC) equals (AB)C but AB does not equal BA.

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
And that has what to do with the question?
 
HallsofIvy said:
And that has what to do with the question?
:smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

answer : i don't know :smile:
marlon
 
E.g. A(BC) equals (AB)C but AB does not equal BA.
Sometimes it does. Such as the square of a matrix.
 
When we say matrix multiplication isn't commutative, we mean in general.
To be commutative it always has to be valid.

As you say though, there are exceptions (multiplying with the identy-matrix or with the inverse too for example) but that doesn't change the fact the multiplication isn't commutative.
 
MY point was that the original question had to do with rearranging the columns in one of the matrices- giving a completely different matrix. It had nothing to do with the commutativity of multiplication.

Wandering off topic is just going to confuse the original poster.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
And that has what to do with the question?
Apologises for misunderstanding the question. Glad to feel I can make mistakes and not have my gut knotted. :cry:

The Bob (2004 ©)
 

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