Can gravitons travel in a vacuum?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravitational attraction in a vacuum, particularly focusing on the concept of gravitons and their ability to travel through such a medium. Participants explore the implications of gravitational pull when objects are in free fall and the theoretical underpinnings of gravity as described by different physics models.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that once a spaceship is in a vacuum, it is free from gravitational pull, prompting questions about how the sun can still attract the Earth.
  • Another participant clarifies that to be completely free from gravitational attraction, an infinite distance must be achieved, and that gravitational effects do not require a medium for transmission.
  • It is noted that gravitational pull decreases with the square of the distance, but never fully reaches zero unless at infinite distance.
  • Participants discuss the concept of free fall, indicating that gravity is still present even when an object is in free fall, as it is only the support that is removed.
  • Gravitons are described as hypothetical particles that might link quantum mechanics and gravity, but their relevance in Newtonian physics is questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the nature of gravitons or their ability to travel in a vacuum. Participants express differing views on the implications of gravitational pull and the concept of free fall, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific interpretations of gravitational theory and the nature of free fall, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of gravity at varying distances and the role of hypothetical particles.

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I'm a complete newbie at physics so bear with me..

The minute a spaceship is out of the Earth's atmosphere and into the vacuum, the gravitational pull let's go and the spaceship is free.
So what I'm asking is, how can the sun attract the Earth into its pull?

Can gravitons travel in a vacuum? if not how does it work?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Actually in order to be "free" from gravitational attraction you have to put an infinite distance between two objects.

I cannot tell you about Gravitons but I can tell you that gravitational effects need no medium to be transmitted.

:smile:
 
bola said:
I'm a complete newbie at physics so bear with me..

The minute a spaceship is out of the Earth's atmosphere and into the vacuum, the gravitational pull let's go and the spaceship is free.

No, the gravitational pull will decrease with distance squared, so it will become smaller when the ship moves away, but it will only be zero at an infinite distance.
So what I'm asking is, how can the sun attract the Earth into its pull?
Read above. Even distant stars exert a gravitational pull on Earth, but it is too small to be measured.
Can gravitons travel in a vacuum? if not how does it work?
Yes.
 
Gravitational pull never "lets go". It drops off very rapidly (as 1/r2) but there is always some force (and the sun is very massive!). A lot of people confuse "free fall" with gravity "stopping". You feel gravity when there is something (like the Earth or a floor) preventing you from going down. In space, when you shut off the rocket engines, you are in "free fall" because you are now "falling freely" with nothing to stop you. You could get the same effect by stepping off a tall building (except it won't last as long!).
 
bola said:
Can gravitons travel in a vacuum? if not how does it work?
gravitons are just hypothetical particles to link Quantum Mechanics, General Relativity and gravity. they carry the force of gravity in (dont hold me to this)
wave packets. in Newtonian physics as we are talking about in this thread, they really don't matter.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You could get the same effect by stepping off a tall building (except it won't last as long!).

Which is why there's an old saying - it's not the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop at the end.
 
Alright.. thanks a lot guys, I understand now.
 

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