Simple absolute value problem with inequalities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a relationship between the variables \(d\) and \(e\) in the context of absolute value inequalities involving the function \(f(x) = \sqrt{x}\). Participants explore the implications of continuity and limits, particularly focusing on how to express \(d\) in terms of \(e\) while considering the behavior of \(f(x)\) near a point \(a\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for all \(e > 0\), there exists some \(d > 0\) such that \(|x-a| < d\) implies \(|\sqrt{x} - \sqrt{a}| < e\).
  • Another participant proposes manipulating the expression \(|\sqrt{x} - \sqrt{a}|\) using the identity \(|\sqrt{x} - \sqrt{a}| = \frac{|x-a|}{\sqrt{x} + \sqrt{a}}\).
  • A different viewpoint indicates that \(d\) does not need to be independent of \(x\) when proving continuity, as uniform continuity would require that condition.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between \(|x-a|\) and the expressions involving \(e\) and \(|\sqrt{x} + \sqrt{a}|\), indicating a need for clarification.
  • There is a mention of assuming \(a = 4\) to simplify the problem, but uncertainty remains regarding the implications of this assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the independence of \(d\) from \(x\) and the correct manipulation of the inequalities. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the assumptions made about \(x\) being sufficiently close to \(a\) and the implications of continuity are critical to the discussion, but these assumptions are not fully explored or settled.

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"Simple" absolute value problem with inequalities

OK...Im totally stuck and could use some help :)
given...for all e>0, d>0...the following holds
|x-a|<d => |f(x) - f(a)| < e
where f(x) = sqrt(x)

how do I find d in terms of e?


Thanks in advance
 
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|x - a| = |[f(x) - f(a)][f(x) + f(a)| < e.|f(x) + f(a)| < d
I don't think you can get simpler than that.
 
I am going to assume you meant: for all e > 0 there is some d > 0 such that |[itex]x-a[/itex]|< d implies |[itex]\sqrt x - \sqrt a[/itex]| < e.

([itex]\sqrt x - \sqrt a[/itex])2 < e2

[itex]x + a - 2\sqrt{x a}[/itex] < e2

[itex]x - a + 2(a-\sqrt{x a})[/itex] < e2

[itex]x - a[/itex] < e2 - [itex]2(a-\sqrt{x a})[/itex]

If [itex]x - a[/itex] > 0 then d = e2 - [itex]2(a-\sqrt{x a})[/itex]

(So d depends on x, and I guess that's okay.)

I need to think about the case where [itex]x - a[/itex] < 0.
 
It is simplest to note that:
[tex]|\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{a}|=\frac{|x-a|}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}}[/tex]
and proceed from there.
 
well...I end up with something like [tex]|x-a|<d => |x-a|=e|\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}|[/tex]...And that's where I am stuck on :(

yah...d has to be independent of x...its one of those proving limit typa thing. I am just allowed to assume a = 4 first
 
If you are attempting to prove that [itex]\sqrt{x}[/itex] is continuous for all positive values of x, then d does not have to be independent of d. That's only true for uniform continuity.

If you have [itex]|x-a| |x-a|=e|\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}|[/itex] and x is "sufficiently close to a", say, |x-a|< 1/2, so that a- 1/2< x< a+ 1/2, what can you say about [itex]\sqrt{x}+ \sqrt{a}[/itex]?
 
complexhuman said:
well...I end up with something like [tex]|x-a|<d => |x-a|=e|\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}|[/tex]...And that's where I am stuck on :(

yah...d has to be independent of x...its one of those proving limit typa thing. I am just allowed to assume a = 4 first
hehe...how did you get [tex]|x-a|<d => |x-a|=e|\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}|[/tex]?
I think it should be [tex]|x-a|<d => |x-a|<e|\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}|[/tex]
 

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