Solar power bases will be built on the Moon

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility and implications of building solar power bases on the Moon, particularly in the context of future energy demands on Earth. Participants explore theoretical, technical, and practical aspects of lunar solar power, including its potential advantages and disadvantages compared to terrestrial solar power and other energy sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • Dr. David R. Criswell proposes that lunar solar power could meet future energy demands, suggesting that harnessing just 1% of the Moon's solar energy could replace fossil fuels on Earth.
  • Some participants question the practicality of solar power on the Moon due to its 14-day light and dark cycles, arguing that a sun-synchronous orbit would be more effective.
  • Concerns are raised about the high costs of lunar solar power compared to nuclear power, with some suggesting that by 2050, advancements in nuclear fusion may render lunar solar power unnecessary.
  • Others argue that the Moon's lack of atmosphere and gravity could provide advantages for solar power generation, despite the distance from Earth.
  • Participants express skepticism about the feasibility of transporting energy from the Moon to Earth and the potential risks associated with beaming energy back, such as misdirection of microwave beams.
  • Some contributors highlight the societal and economic challenges that may hinder the large-scale implementation of solar power on the Moon, suggesting that commercial interests may prioritize other developments over energy production.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no consensus on the viability of lunar solar power. While some acknowledge potential benefits, others emphasize significant drawbacks and alternative energy solutions, indicating a contested discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions regarding energy transport, costs, and technological advancements that remain unresolved. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the practicality of lunar solar power versus terrestrial alternatives.

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Testimony of Dr. David R. Criswell: Senate Hearing on "Lunar Exploration"

"Testimony of Dr. David R. Criswell at Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space Hearings: "Lunar Exploration"
Thursday, November 6, 2003, 2:30 PM – SR-253 "

By 2050, approximately 10 billion people will live on Earth demanding ~5 times the power now available. By then, solar power from the Moon could provide everyone clean, affordable, and sustainable electric power. No terrestrial options can provide the needed minimum of 2 kWe/person or at least 20 terawatts globally.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10926
 
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What is this guy a Dr. of?

The moon is a horrible place for solar power arrays. 14 days light, 14 days dark. Only 14 days of being able to beam the power to Earth, assuming you can gimbal the beamer a full 180 degrees, and those days don't even correspond to the 14 days of light.

For pete's sake, if you're going to spend the money to build a extraplanetary solar array, put it in a 61 degree inclination, sun-synchronous orbit. Save yourself some headache with the engineering problems...
 
Originally posted by enigma
What is this guy a Dr. of?

The moon is a horrible place for solar power arrays. 14 days light, 14 days dark. Only 14 days of being able to beam the power to Earth, assuming you can gimbal the beamer a full 180 degrees, and those days don't even correspond to the 14 days of light.

For pete's sake, if you're going to spend the money to build a extraplanetary solar array, put it in a 61 degree inclination, sun-synchronous orbit. Save yourself some headache with the engineering problems...

Dr. Crisswell is an Industrial Physicist, Enigma.

Here's a better site that goes further in depth of his LSP Program from getting solar cells from the moon: http://www.physicscentral.com/news/news-02-5.html .

In the article Criswell proposes a Lunar Solar Power (LSP) System, using arrays of solar cells on the lunar surface to beam energy back to Earth. Criswell estimates that the 10 billion people living on Earth in 2050 will require 20 Terawatts (TW) of power. The Moon receives 13,000 TW of power from the sun. Criswell suggests that harnessing just 1% of the solar power and directing it toward Earth could replace fossil fuel power plants on Earth.
 
Greetings !

This sounds like a totally unreal idea. It will cost many many
times more than nuclear power, not to mention that
by 2050 we'll barely have the first manned bases on the
Moon while back on Earth we're likely to harness
nuclear fusion by then.

Live long and prosper.
 
Did you see that the ITER international fusion collaboration has won the highest priority on the new US science budget?
 
Nope, but I agree that it's a good investment.
Personally, though I'm no expert, I'd use a bit less money
or maybe the same amount but concentrate less on propotypes
and more on theoretical designs of new and better reactor concepts.
I mean plasma dynamics is a very complex subject indeed
ant there's a lot to learn about other aspects like power conversion
for example. And yet, these propotypes won't yield effective nuclear
fusion even if brought to perfection. We need new types of designes
as well as better materials like more powerfull supermagnets
and new design concepts for plasma flow geometries.

Live long and prosper.
 
Originally posted by Jeebus
The Moon receives 13,000 TW of power from the sun.
Thats nice but the Earth receives far more than that. Solar power plants on Earth would be far superior in cost and capability to anything we could put on the moon.

Dr. or not, what he's suggesting is a terrible idea.
 
The main disadvantage of the moon is that it's far away.

Its two main advantages are that it has no atmosphere and that it does have gravity.

Solar power stations on Earth suffer from atmospheric absorption and scattering of sunlight.

Solar power satellites in near Earth orbit suffer from having to construct and maintain complex machinery in zero g.

So the moon as a solar power base isn't a terrible idea right out of the box; it's more a matter of weighing costs and benefits.
 
Well I am not engineer but i have 2 main things that come to mind..

1) how much energy will it take to convert this energy into,... energy that can be 'transported' magically away to another place...

2) I've had this idea in my own mind for years for earth. irreguardless of wether Earth is inneficient because of the atmosphere or not it still seemed like a good idea at the time the only problem is..

Realistate.

I seriously doubt anyone is going to mass produce solar panels to cover an entire celestial body just to try and get what is probably a limited fraction of the total energy that is hitting it.

Until we reach a place within our society where material possessions and money are no longer conscerns of ours (star trek: federation.. blah blah) then businessman/women and governments are going to be more concerned with things like plastering the moons surface with gambling casinos, resorts, vacations spots.. that's my prediction for the future...

If not they'll always fall back on the critically acclaimed weapons of mass destruction.. filling the skies with new and ingenious ways of blowing everything up!

MythioS
 
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Hi everyone. This idea is good in theory, but I can't see it happening. Also my worst fear is the beaming the microwaves towards Earth bit. What if something goes wrong and its beamed some place else?
 

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