How Fast Can Hydrogen Travel Through a 1/16 Tube at 50 PSI?

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The discussion centers on the speed of hydrogen gas traveling through a 1/16" tube under a pressure difference of 50 PSI. Participants explore the calculations related to flow velocity, Reynolds number, and the conditions affecting these parameters, including assumptions about compressibility and tube characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the speed of hydrogen through a 1/16" tube and requests guidance on calculating the Reynolds number.
  • Another participant suggests using the pressure drop equation and emphasizes the need to assume a friction factor to calculate velocity, indicating that iterations may be necessary to converge on a solution.
  • A third participant shares specific assumptions made for their calculations, including neglecting compressibility, specifying a temperature of 70°F, and using a straight tube of 12 inches in length. They provide calculated values for density and viscosity of hydrogen, along with an initial estimate for the friction factor.
  • This participant calculates an initial velocity of 108.5 ft/sec and a Reynolds number of 2292, suggesting that the flow is laminar and that a new friction factor can be derived from the Reynolds number.
  • Another participant notes that if the pressure difference exceeds a certain ratio, the flow will become choked, leading to a local velocity equal to the speed of sound.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the final speed of hydrogen or the exact conditions under which the calculations hold, as participants present different assumptions and calculations. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints on the factors influencing flow velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants make various assumptions regarding compressibility, surface roughness, and tube length, which may affect the accuracy of their calculations. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or their implications.

xJuggleboy
How fast can Hydrogen be pushed threw a 1/16" tube? we have a maximun pressure diffrence of about 50PSI from one side of the tube to the other.

And how can I calculate the reynolds number for the tube?
 
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How long is the tube?

You're going to have to assume a friction factor and calculate the velocity using

[tex]\Delta P = f \frac{L}{D} \frac{1}{2} \rho V^2[/tex]

Once you calculate a first velocity, calculate the resulting Reynolds number using [tex]RE = \frac{\rho V D}{\mu}[/tex]

Once you have your Reynolds Number, then go to the Moody chart and see what the resultant friction factor is and compare it to your original estimate. If it is close you can stop. If not, get the new friction factor and then go back and redo the entire process with the new friction factor. It may take a few iterations before the friction factors and Reynolds numbers converge to a solution.
 
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I made some assumptions:
- Compressibility neglegted
- T= 70°F
- smooth surface roughness in the tube
- I used the 1/16" as the ID (because I'm too lazy to look up the ID, that's why).
- I assumed a length of 12 inches for the tube
- The tube is straight

Under those conditions, I calculated

[tex]\rho_{H2} = .0177 \frac{Lb_m}{ft^3}[/tex]

and

[tex]\mu_{H2} = 4.367x10^{-6} \frac{Lb_m}{ft*s}[/tex]


I took an initial swag of f=.03 and ran the numbers. If I didn't fat finger the numbers, I get a V = 108.5 ft/sec. That resulted in a RE = 2292 and in the laminar flow regime. That means you could get away with the approximation of [tex]f = \frac{64}{RE}[/tex] which gives you a new f = .0279.

That should get you going in the general area. I am sure someone will let me know if my numbers are off. By feel, I think they're not too unreasonable...
 
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When the pressure difference is P1/P2 > 2 than the line will be chocked and the local velocity will be the velocity of sound.
 

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