Solving Differential Equations with Riccati Method

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Riccati Method for solving differential equations (D.E). Participants seek clarification on specific examples and the necessity of known solutions for the method to be applicable.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests more examples of the Riccati Method for solving differential equations.
  • Another participant provides a specific differential equation and questions the ability to find a solution using the Riccati Method.
  • A response indicates that the solution is provided in the referenced material and suggests that the participant may not have fully engaged with it.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of having at least one known solution to apply the Riccati Method effectively, with one participant asserting that without it, finding solutions is impossible.
  • Another participant proposes that the statement regarding the necessity of a known solution should be qualified, depending on the specific forms of P(x), Q(x), and R(x) in the equation.
  • A transformation is mentioned that converts the Riccati equation into a linear second-order ordinary differential equation, which may be solvable in certain cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a known solution for applying the Riccati Method, with some asserting it is essential while others suggest it may depend on the specific equation parameters. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which the Riccati Method can be applied.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific equations and transformations without fully resolving the implications of these mathematical steps. There is also a lack of consensus on the necessity of known solutions for the Riccati Method.

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I want to read a bit more example on using the Riccati Method when solvng D.E, who can help me?
 
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AKG said:

Thanks very much~
But how can I get one of the soultion of
y'= [2cos^2(x) - sin^2(x) + y^2]/ 2cos(x) =0 ? (the second example in the reading)
If can't~ no use of the Riccati method~
 
What's the problem? For one, they give the solution right on the page, so I don't know why you think you can't do it (unless you mean that you're trying to solve it yourself and haven't looked at the answer). Second of all:

[tex]\frac{2\cos ^2(x) - \sin ^2(x) + y^2}{2\cos (x)} = \left (\frac{2\cos ^2(x) - \sin ^2(x)}{2\cos (x)}\right )y^0 + (0)y^1 + \frac{1}{2\cos (x)}y^2[/tex]

Also, I don't know why you're setting it to 0, you don't need to solve y' = 0. You have an equation for y' in terms of f and x, and you make a substitution for z to get you a linear equation which you can solve. You're given that y1 = sin(x) is a solution, so set:

[tex]z = \frac{1}{y - y_1}[/tex]

If you isolate y in that equation, then you can express y in terms of z and y1, and can even express y' in terms of z and y1. You find those expressions and substitute them into your Ricatti equation. You then perform the algebraic manipulations to isolate z', and on the right side you should end up with a linear expression. Solve for z easily, then substitute back to find y.
 
AKG said:
What's the problem? For one, they give the solution right on the page, so I don't know why you think you can't do it (unless you mean that you're trying to solve it yourself and haven't looked at the answer). Second of all:

[tex]\frac{2\cos ^2(x) - \sin ^2(x) + y^2}{2\cos (x)} = \left (\frac{2\cos ^2(x) - \sin ^2(x)}{2\cos (x)}\right )y^0 + (0)y^1 + \frac{1}{2\cos (x)}y^2[/tex]

Also, I don't know why you're setting it to 0, you don't need to solve y' = 0. You have an equation for y' in terms of f and x, and you make a substitution for z to get you a linear equation which you can solve. You're given that y1 = sin(x) is a solution, so set:

[tex]z = \frac{1}{y - y_1}[/tex]

If you isolate y in that equation, then you can express y in terms of z and y1, and can even express y' in terms of z and y1. You find those expressions and substitute them into your Ricatti equation. You then perform the algebraic manipulations to isolate z', and on the right side you should end up with a linear expression. Solve for z easily, then substitute back to find y.

What you means is unless one of the soultion is given i.e y1 otherwise we can't solve this D.E?
 
I don't know if you even read the link I gave you, since if you did there should be no question as to how to solve it. You also missed the seventh sentence on that page:

"Without knowing at least one solution, there is absolutely no chance to find any solutions to such an equation."
 
AKG said:
I don't know if you even read the link I gave you, since if you did there should be no question as to how to solve it. You also missed the seventh sentence on that page:

"Without knowing at least one solution, there is absolutely no chance to find any solutions to such an equation."

You know AKG, I really think that statement should be qualified: It depends of course on what P(x), Q(x), and R(x) are. By use of the transformation:

[tex]y(x)=\frac{u^{'}}{Ru}[/tex]

The Ricccati equation is converted to a linear second-order ODE:

[tex]R\frac{d^2u}{dx^2}-(R^{'}-QR)\frac{du}{dx}-PR^2u=0[/tex]

In some cases, this equation can be solved directly or via power series.
 

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