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Aug29-05, 10:16 AM   #18
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The World Can't Wait! Drive Out the Bush Regime!


Quote by russ_watters
If you want to be taken seriously (and this is something the guy who started the website should learn), be reasonable. I won't use words like kat used, but you are not being logical, reasonable, or even rational.
Reasonable? What about:

Bush behaves like a Nazi? Do I have to quote articles to prove this to you? Then again this is just my opinion.
Aug29-05, 10:33 AM   #19
 
Quote by russ_watters
You have no idea how happy I am to hear that.
I serve to please
I do have a reasonably high opinion of you...
shocking
Aug29-05, 10:35 AM   #20
 
Quote by russ_watters
So the Red Cross said that and its an established fact? (note: just because the Red Cross says something doesn't make it a fact - the Red Cross has opinions just like any other organization).
Israel's ambulance service, Magen David Adom, has only an observer status in the Red Cross Society. The official reason for this is because its emblem, the Star of David, is not recognised by its protocols. Actually, Arab members in the RCS have been preventing MDA's inclusion as a full member. The Palestinian Red Crescent, however, is a full member, despite the use of PRC ambulances to transport weapons.
In my service I have personally witnessed a Red Crescent ambulance distributing incendiary bottles. In the Erez crossing there used to be a "clean" PRC Ambulance waiting on the Israeli side because all their Ambulances were turned back due to discoveries of residual chemicals from various munitions types.
Aug29-05, 10:49 AM   #21
 
Quote by Yonoz
Israel's ambulance service, Magen David Adom, has only an observer status in the Red Cross Society. The official reason for this is because its emblem, the Star of David, is not recognised by its protocols. Actually, Arab members in the RCS have been preventing MDA's inclusion as a full member. The Palestinian Red Crescent, however, is a full member,
Yes, the reasoning was that if the old "If I give you one, I have to give everyone one". Currently the most likely candidate for an emblem with no religious affiliation is the red lozenge/diamond.
despite the use of PRC ambulances to transport weapons.
In my service I have personally witnessed a Red Crescent ambulance distributing incendiary bottles. In the Erez crossing there used to be a "clean" PRC Ambulance waiting on the Israeli side because all their Ambulances were turned back due to discoveries of residual chemicals from various munitions types.
The Red Cross is doing it's best, it's a bit unfair to blame them for this. However, I do fear they've grown a little too large to be able to effectively manage all their divisions.
Aug29-05, 11:00 AM   #22
 
Quote by Smurf
Yes, the reasoning was that if the old "If I give you one, I have to give everyone one". Currently the most likely candidate for an emblem with no religious affiliation is the red lozenge/diamond.
Do you sincerely believe that to be the reason? They already have a Cross and a Crescent. How naive can you be?
Quote by Smurf
The Red Cross is doing it's best, it's a bit unfair to blame them for this. However, I do fear they've grown a little too large to be able to effectively manage all their divisions.
I wasn't blaming anyone, but if you employ known Hamas & Tanzim members as ambulance drivers don't be surprised when they get caught tranporting weapons in your ambulances. They could prohibit members of these organisations from working for them.
Aug29-05, 11:03 AM   #23
kat
 
Quote by faust9
Well, then lets see you prove this. Please, feel free to readjust the weighting and show us this 49%. I know, it's all a conspiracy to make Bush look worse isn't it. People really aren't upset with the cesspool of lies and coverups coming from the Bush WH---it's Gallop's fault isn't it. High rankiing Republicans are not jumping ship and openly disagreeing with Bush now---it's all Gallop's doing.

Now, you used the term 'fruitcake' here because you disagreed with the content; however, the statement above makes me inclined to reapply the term in your general direction.
Heh.
Sorry...I was wrong...I should have said 51 to 52%.

Anywhooo
President Bush Job Approval

Monday August 29, 2005--Forty-nine percent (49%) of American adults now approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. That's the most positive assessment since August 2........


During 2004, reports on the President Job Approval were based upon surveys of Likely Voters. Typically, a survey of Likely Voters would report a Job Approval rating 2-3 points higher than a survey of all adults.

On Election Day, the President's Job Approval was at 52%
It appears that not much has changed since last November.
Aug29-05, 12:01 PM   #24
 
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Quote by DM
Reasonable? What about:

Bush behaves like a Nazi? Do I have to quote articles to prove this to you? Then again this is just my opinion.
I don't even consider "behaves like" to be a reasonable statement, but at the very least, it is a subjective statement of opinion (like you said). But what I quoted said that Bush "is a Nazi", and that is a claim of fact. Big difference.

Loose linguistics is another red-flag of an unreasonable argument.
Aug29-05, 12:03 PM   #25
 
A quick test to prove the similarities between Bush and Nazism.

Read Mein Kampf, specifically the first six chapters, and you will be amazed at how similar the propoganda machine is. Sure maybe hitler had some good ideas and not all were bad, but seriously it is shocking.
Aug29-05, 12:18 PM   #26
 
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Could you be more specific...?

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
Aug29-05, 12:26 PM   #27
DM
 
Quote by russ_watters
But what I quoted said that Bush "is a Nazi", and that is a claim of fact. Big difference.
Actually, no. "Bush is a Nazi" remains an opinion. It does not change into a fact.
Aug29-05, 12:27 PM   #28
 
Quote by russ_watters
Reasonable discussions have to start with reasonable opening points, guys. That's a statement of fact that you need to substantiate. What is the proof that Bush is a Nazi? Has he stated that he's a Nazi? Has he been to a Nazi rally? Does he wear a Nazi armband?

If you want to be taken seriously (and this is something the guy who started the website should learn), be reasonable. I won't use words like kat used, but you are not being logical, reasonable, or even rational.
If you're asking if he's an official card carrying member of the National Socialist Party, then no, obviously he's not.

But if it steps like a goose...

There's nazis and then there's nazis.
Aug29-05, 12:33 PM   #29
 
Quote by russ_watters
Could you be more specific...?

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
Chapter 5. Hitler begins to speak about propoganda. I noticed many parallel's to Bush's approach as i remember what they were now...

hitler spoke of how public speeches should not be overly intellectual because much of the audience would be tuned out, they are repetative and basic in message which allows for the most national saturation of ideal.

The enemy must be portrayed as utterly evil. How often have we come accross racism against arabs. However, to attract the intelligentsia the arab fundamentalists are now branded as crazy, stray dogs who do not follow the word of allah. Hate and bigotry is a very successful weapon. Hitler did not go lightly on the jews or the marxists, mentally ill or the homosexual because he knew that to destroy a people, hate is the most efficient means of brainwash.

Weapon of mass destruction, terrorist, axis of evil, fight global terrorism, etc. I have heard these words many times and each time i see them an image comes to mind that, if i didnt know better, would most likely have a slight brainwashing effect on my reasoning abilities regarding bush's missions.
Aug29-05, 12:33 PM   #30
kat
 
Aaaaaanndddd then there's Fruitcake!!!!

BAHAHA!
Aug29-05, 01:32 PM   #31
 
Kat: I follow Rasmussen, too.

But interestingly, if you go to Polling report

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

and look through polls by different organisations..... Most show a definite downward trend, and Rasmussen is a definite outlyer.

You also have to concede that the 36% report is the first time in his residency that he has hit so low, under any circumstances ---- This is getting into Carter territory. WE may have to "weight" it and I doubt he can sink much lower as his core won't abandon him, but there is no denying we haven't seen anything as low as 36% reported before.

The trend would seem to be downwards, taking all such information into account.
Aug29-05, 01:46 PM   #32
 
Quote by kat
Aaaaaanndddd then there's Fruitcake!!!!

BAHAHA!
Feel free to address any of the points made.
Aug29-05, 02:17 PM   #33
 
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The latest Gallup poll shows Bush's approval rating to be the lowest of any second term president in recent history.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=18148

As for His henchmen, they are incredibly Nazi like in their media control and dissinformation tactics. Planting a fake reporter in news conferences, and sending "canned" news releases to the media, was an all time low for a presidents cabinet.

Outing the name of a CIA agent, in retaliation because someone told them the truth, was a criminal act.

As for Bush and Hitler, they do have one thing in common: Neither was particularly successful at anything until they discovered politics.
Aug29-05, 02:23 PM   #34
 
Quote by Yonoz
Do you sincerely believe that to be the reason? They already have a Cross and a Crescent. How naive can you be?
Yes, I do believe that to be the reason. What do you believe then, more nazi's have it out for israel?
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