Quick simple H-bonding question

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The discussion revolves around the requirements for hydrogen bonding, specifically whether a hydrogen atom must be directly bonded to a highly electronegative atom (N, O, or F) within a molecule's structure to participate in hydrogen bonding with other molecules. The scope includes theoretical considerations and examples of specific compounds like formaldehyde, acetone, and acetal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a hydrogen must be directly bonded to N, O, or F for hydrogen bonding to occur, using formaldehyde as an example.
  • Another participant cites a source suggesting that hydrogen typically needs to be directly attached to an electronegative atom for hydrogen bonding, but notes exceptions may exist.
  • A follow-up post implies that formaldehyde and possibly acetal may not fit the typical requirement for hydrogen bonding, while acetone is excluded.
  • Another participant agrees that the direct bond is usually necessary, explaining that this is related to the local dipole moment created by electronegativity differences, which facilitates hydrogen bonding.
  • This participant also introduces the idea of hydrogen donor/acceptor capabilities and mentions that hyperconjugation may stabilize interactions in some cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a hydrogen atom typically needs to be bonded to an electronegative atom for hydrogen bonding, but they acknowledge that there are exceptions and that the discussion remains unresolved regarding specific cases like formaldehyde and acetone.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of hydrogen bonding and the specific conditions under which it occurs, as well as the potential influence of molecular structure on hydrogen bonding capabilities.

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*Must a hydrogen be 'directly' bonded to an N,O, or F in the very structure of the molecule for it to engage in H-bonding with other such molecules?

*For example, can formaldehyde form H-bonds? --even though its hydrogens are not directly bonded with an oxygen in the structure? (i.e., not structurally attached) What about acetone or acetal?

*Or, must I concretely have an (O-H) or (N-H) bond within the molecule structure itself?

So, must a hydrogen be 'directly' bonded to an N,O, or F in the very structure of the molecule for it to engage in H-bonding with other such molecules?
 
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http://www.chemguide.co.uk/atoms/bonding/hbond.html

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"In methoxymethane, the lone pairs on the oxygen are still there, but the hydrogens aren't sufficiently + for hydrogen bonds to form. Except in some rather unusual cases, the hydrogen atom has to be attached directly to the very electronegative element for hydrogen bonding to occur."
 
Artermis said:
. .. Except in some rather unusual cases, the hydrogen atom has to be attached directly to the very electronegative element for hydrogen bonding to occur .. ..

Meaning formaldehyde, and possibly acetal, I presume ? :smile:
Not acetone?
 
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Yeah, it's not a clear cut case. You're first assumption is correct in most cases, the hydrogen has to be bonded to the electronegative atom, this pertains to a local dipole moment due to the direct electronegative differences, which will facilitate intermolecular attractions so deemed to be hydrogen bonding.

You should also consider the scenario of hydrogen donor/acceptor capabilities when considering the nature of hydrogen bonding in a system.

And as artemis has mentioned there are cases where the partial charge differences between two hydrogen bonding candidates can be "stabilized" by hyperconjugation of electron donors and such.
 

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