Recoil energy and Heisenberg Uncertainty principal

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the act of measuring an electron's position and its subsequent change in orbit, as dictated by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP). The participants explore the implications of precise measurements on momentum and energy, referencing the Rydberg formula for ionization energy. The energy change due to measurement is estimated to be in the range of 10^-18 J, suggesting that any disturbance sufficient to provide this energy can induce a transition in the electron's state. The conclusion emphasizes that measuring position inherently disturbs momentum, leading to changes in electron orbits.

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  • Basic knowledge of quantum mechanics and electron wavefunctions
  • Concept of energy transitions in atomic systems
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I need to prove that the act of measuring exactly the position of an electron would change its orbit.

change in position x change in momentum = h

the limit would suggest that knowing the location exactly would set the change in momentum p= h

What is the formula that relates energy above a quantity with changing orbits? I saw that the Rhydberg formula gives an Ionization energy, I am thinking that if I can prove that the energy change due to measurement is at least equal to this quantity then I have proven a change in orbit. Is this correct? I have found this energy to be in the 10^-18 J range, any ideas on what I can look at to figure this out? I have spent so much time on this and still have nothing more than qualitative answer that is given by the Heisenberg principal.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
-A
 
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Orbits are wavefuction density of electrons in an atom . With each electron is associated a spatial distribution within an atom.So HUP assigns that , at a given instant you can only determine one of the aspects out of position and momentum precisely . For an accurate knowledge of position , you have to sacrifice your knowledge about the associated momentum. Because there are only some premissible values of energy are allowed for an electron , so whenever there is some disturbance in the environment of an electron , it is transmitted and absorbed by the electron , and if that disturbance is ramnant enough to provide the minimum possible energy for an electron to make a transition , it will . So the "act of measuring " the position/momentum will always lead to a disturbance.

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"it is transmitted and absorbed by the electron , and if that disturbance is ramnant enough to provide the minimum possible energy for an electron to make a transition , it will ."

Yes, I think I'm actually getting a little closer to solving this (after hours of trying..) I will update tomorrow. This is interesting stuff, I wish I was better with it (and it will be a detriment to me if I don't become better really quickly!)

thx.
-A
 

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