Can a Galaxy Collapse Inward Over Time?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of galaxies collapsing inward over time, exploring theoretical implications and the dynamics of gravitational forces within galaxies. Participants examine the interplay between gravitational attraction and cosmic expansion, as well as the role of supermassive black holes in this process.

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  • One participant questions whether galaxies can fall back into themselves, pondering the implications of such a scenario.
  • Another participant suggests that galaxies are continuously influenced by gravitational attraction, which has caused matter to clump together over time, potentially leading to a collapse into a supermassive black hole at the center.
  • A different viewpoint challenges the idea that galaxies will continue to collapse, referencing a source that discusses how isolated gravitational systems may "boil off" over time, with particles escaping due to kinetic energy.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty regarding the long-term fate of sizable galaxies, noting that current models may not be advanced enough to predict outcomes, while also mentioning that globular clusters exhibit both contraction and particle escape over time.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the long-term behavior of galaxies and the effects of gravitational forces versus escape dynamics.

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Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the models used to predict galaxy behavior over extended timeframes and the dependence on assumptions about gravitational interactions and cosmic expansion.

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Is it possible for a galaxy too fall back into its self?(even if they don't) What would happen?
 
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I suppose gallaxies can all be thought of as falling into themselves. Theoretically, matter in the early universe was spread out much more evenly than it is today. Bits of matter that used to be individual stocks of dust and clubs of gas have come together into stars and other large bodies. Gravitational attraction has pulled these bodies of matter together in groups such as super clusters, clusters, and individual galaxies. On local scales (certainly on the scale of galaxies), the influence of the Hubble expansion is pretty much negligible compared with the influence of gravitational attraction pulling things together. So, the same force that caused the galaxy to "clump together" into a galaxy in first place is still pulling that galaxy ever tighter together.

At the center of most (if not all) galaxies a supermassive black hole is thought to exist. Throughout the life of the galaxy, more and more matter falls into this black hole. If the whole galaxy were to fall into the center, it would become nothing but one gigantic black hole.
 
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So, the same force that caused the galaxy to "clump together" into a galaxy in first place is still pulling that galaxy ever tighter together.
Are you sure about that? In http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/end.html I read:

And you can show in the really long run, any isolated system consisting of sufficiently many point particles interacting gravitationally - even an apparently "gravitationally bound" system - will "boil off" as individual particles randomly happen to acquire enough kinetic energy to reach escape velocity.
 
My impression is that the answer is still very much unknown for sizable galaxies. I don't think anyone has run their models far enough in time (nor do they have enough faith in them) to predict the final fate of, for example, the Milky Way. In globular clusters, it seems that both of these things happen; that is, stars "boil off" with time, but the core of the cluster also contracts. It may be that something similar will happen to galaxies in the long term, but I suspect our models are not yet sophisticated enough to say for sure.
 

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