Infrared Ray Absorption: Alkane Vibration Conversion

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The discussion revolves around the absorption of infrared (IR) rays by vaporized alkane samples and the subsequent conversion of induced vibrations into thermal energy. Participants explore the implications of this process for reaction rates and energy transfer, touching on concepts of vibrational relaxation and energy modes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether vibrations induced by IR rays in alkanes are converted into thermal energy and if this process takes a significant amount of time.
  • Others mention that vibrational relaxation occurs faster than typical electronic excitation, suggesting a rapid conversion process.
  • A participant asserts that vibrations are a form of thermal energy but raises the point that vibrational energy must be converted into translational motion to affect reaction rates.
  • Another participant counters that vibrational energy is equivalent to translational energy, emphasizing that energy transfer occurs at the atomic level.
  • Discussion includes the relationship between quantized energy levels of molecules, noting that vibrational energy levels are superimposed on electronic levels and can undergo nonradiative relaxation, releasing thermal energy.
  • A participant summarizes that if IR energy is absorbed by alkanes during a reaction, it could raise the temperature of the mixture and potentially increase the reaction rate, comparing it to direct heating methods.
  • There is mention of the equipartition theorem, indicating that vibrational, translational, and rotational modes contribute equally to the internal energy of the system, with distinctions made regarding electronic excitations.

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Participants express differing views on the role of vibrational energy in reaction dynamics and whether it must be converted to translational energy to be effective. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of vibrational versus translational energy in chemical reactions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of energy transfer and the specific conditions under which these processes occur are not fully detailed, leaving room for interpretation. The discussion also highlights the complexity of energy modes and their interactions without definitive conclusions.

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If IR rays at the appropriate frequency are passed through a vaporized sample of an alkane, will the vibrations induced be converted into thermal energy? If yes, then will the process take a substantial amount of time (on the order of seconds)?
 
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Read up on vibrational relaxation methods, the process takes shorter than typical electronic excitation
 
sid_galt said:
If IR rays at the appropriate frequency are passed through a vaporized sample of an alkane, will the vibrations induced be converted into thermal energy? If yes, then will the process take a substantial amount of time (on the order of seconds)?
Can't say I understand your question - vibrations are thermal energy.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Can't say I understand your question - vibrations are thermal energy.

Yes but bond vibrations will not help for example in activating or accelerating a reaction until they are converted into translational motion.
Am I correct on this point?
 
No, that's not true. Vibrational energy is just as good as translational energy.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Vibrational energy is just as good as translational energy.
In vibrational energy, the atoms in a molecule are transferring energy/momentum. Also remember, in a solid the atoms are vibrating, i.e. which is more or less translational but contrained to the lattice site.

A vibrating molecule can transfer energy/momenutm to other molecules, but the energy is transferred on the atomic rather than molecular level.
 
As far as spectra goes, quantisized (spelling?) energy levels of a molecule refer to its electronic energies levels associated with molecular orbitals, vibrational energy levels are frequently superimposed on these electronic levels, furthermore if applicable, each of these vibrational energy levels are associated with rotational energy levels which have a smaller difference in quantisized energy.

An exicited electron to a particular vibrational energy level of a higher electronic state may undergo one of several different forms of nonradiative relaxation, vibrational relaxation occurs faster than the time frame for radiative emissions such as flourescence. Vibrational relaxation places the electron in the lowest vibrational level of a particular electronic state, it may occur for instance throough steps of collisions with particular molecules or solvent, the excess energy is given off as thermal energy.
I think this is what the OP was referring to.

Just trying to remember what I read in instrumental analysis, both of you (Gokul, Astronuc) are probably familiar with the topic.
 
Thank you for the replies and the help.

So as I am understanding,

- if the alkane is reacting with another compound and infrared rays of the appropriate frequency are directed at the reacting gases, the infrared ray energy will be deposited into the vibrations of the alkane molecule which will consequently raise the temperature of the mixture and increase the reaction rate?

- if say 2 J of infrared rays are directed at the mixture of which 1.5 J energy is absorbed, the temperature rise will be the same if 1.5 J energy were supplied directly through a burner?
 
Yes ... if 1.5J went into exciting vibrational, translational and rotational modes rather than electronic states (and there is a difference between the former and latter). All three of the former modes contribute equally to the internal energy of the system (recall the equipartition theorem) - only different modes are excited at different characteristic energies. However, if you excited electronic states, you would only have fluorescence (or phosphorescence or photoionization, etc.) and the primary response would not create a raise in temperature. Typically though, electroninc excitations are in the UV range. IR is definitely more likely to excite "thermal" (in solids, phononic) modes.
 
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Thank you for the help.
 

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