Force on a point charge due to a rod

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force on a point charge due to a uniformly charged rod, particularly examining the scenario as the length of the rod approaches infinity while keeping the linear charge density constant. Participants explore the implications of this limit on the resulting force expression.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the integration of forces from differential charge elements along the rod and question the implications of taking the limit as the rod length approaches infinity. There is a focus on understanding the resulting force expression and its physical interpretation.

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Some participants have offered corrections regarding the treatment of the limit and the relationship between charge and length. Others are exploring the interpretation of the resulting force expression and its similarity to known physical scenarios, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the implications of the limit and the nature of the force as it relates to the geometry of the charged rod. Participants are also grappling with the conceptual understanding of forces from infinitely long charge distributions.

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Hvae a look at the diagram
Caluclate the force on the point charge q, due to a uniformly charged rod of length L a distance x from the point charge q. Discuss the limit when L approaches infinity with lambda = Q/L fixed.

[tex]Q = \lambda L[/tex]
[tex]dQ = \lambda dL[/tex]

Force of dQ on the point charge q is given by
[tex]dF = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_{0}} \frac{qdQ}{(L+x-s)^2}[/tex]
no Y components since the rod is thin. SO this force is the total force in the horizontal direction only.

[tex]F = \int dF = \int_{s=0}^{s=L} \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_{0}} \frac{q \lambda ds}{(L+x-s)^2}[/tex]

[tex]F = \frac{q \lambda L}{4 \pi \epsilon_{0}} \frac{1}{x(L+x)}[/tex]

[tex]F = \frac{Qq}{4 \pi \epsilon_{0} x(L+x)}[/tex]

now for the limit where L -> infinity

i used L'Hopital's Rule and got the answer to be zero. But i find it hard to believe that that is the case. I Would think that this has something to di wth the limtis of integration being s=0 to s=infinity

im not sure however... do help

thank you in advance for your help!
 
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The mistake is pretty simple: you forgot that [itex]Q = \lambda L[/itex] when you took the limit.
 
ok since lambda is fixed it turns into

[tex]\frac{q \lambda}{4 \pi \epsilon_{0} x}[/tex]

now how do i interpret this? This is certainly not similar to the force due to any object on a point charge... or is it ??
 
could someone guide me to the end of the problem?

i found out htat with the inifnite length the force doesn't dpeend on the length of the rod. It only depends on the distance from the rod. This resembles the electric force due to an half of an infinite cylinder on a point charge q. Is this much of an explanation enough ?

please do help!
 
what is the conclusion for the second part where the rod is infinitely long? The force or electric field certainly do not depend on its length. Is there anything else i may have missed?
 

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