Find all divisors of for example 29601

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The discussion revolves around finding all divisors of a given number, specifically using the example of 29601. Participants explore the methods for computing divisors, particularly for large numbers, and whether there exists a unified algorithm for this task.

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  • One participant questions whether finding all divisors of a large number requires manual checking or if there is a unified algorithm available.
  • Another participant mentions that while there are algorithms for factoring numbers, finding all divisors involves partitioning the set of prime factors, noting that each partition results in two divisors.
  • A third participant introduces the concept of ordered factorizations and the divisor function, seeking clarification on the term "partitioning of the set of prime numbers" and its relation to obtaining divisors.
  • Another participant provides an example of prime factorization and explains how any divisor can be expressed in terms of its prime factors, illustrating the concept of partitioning the primes into multisets.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the methods for finding divisors and the mathematical concepts involved. There is no consensus on a unified algorithm, and the discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some participants express difficulty in understanding advanced mathematical concepts related to divisor functions and factorizations. There are references to multiplicative functions and the divisor function d(n), but these concepts are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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If I want to find all divisors of for example 29601 and in general all divisors of any (large) number, do I have to do it "on foot" i.e. with help of the division rules or checking each number looking if it divides the given number?...As far as I know there is no unified algorithm for computing the divisors of any number...or am I wrong? Does there exist such an algorithm? Computing divisors of small numbers is clearly a cheap task but I find it extremely tedious for large numbers.
 
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There exist algorithms (though still "tedious") for factoring numbers. Finding all divisors would then be a matter of partitioning the set of all prime factors. (But every partition gives you two divisors!)
 
"...An ordered factorization of the positive integer n into exactly l factors is an l-tuple (d_1, . . . , d_l) such that n = d_1 · · · d_l. The divisor function d(n)
counts the number of ordered factorizations of n into exactly two factors,
since each factorization n = dd' is completely determined by the first factor
d. For every positive integer l, we define the arithmetic function d_l(n)
the number of factorizations of n into exactly l factors. Then d_1(n) = 1
and d_2(n) = d(n) for all n..."

did you mean this?...I could barely understand anything however...it has something to do with multiplicative functions...it says.

Could you tell please me more about the term "partitioning of the set of prime numbers" and why every partition gives us two divisors? :smile:
 
Find prime factorization, e.g. [tex]60=2^{2}3^{1}5^{1}[/tex]. Any divisor will be of the form [tex]3=2^a3^b5^c[/tex] where 0<=a<=2, 0<=b<=1, 0<=c<=1, e.g [tex]2^03^15^0[/tex]. This corresponds to another divisor, [tex]60/3=20=2^23^05^1[/tex], and if you like you can think of this as a partition of the primes {2,2,3,5} into two 'multi'sets {3}, and {2,2,5}.

wherever that passage you quoted came from, it looks like they talk about the plain old divisor function d(n) earlier. Have a look at that section if possible.
 

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