Need help with mass-spring-damper system

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The discussion revolves around a mass-spring-damper system involving two masses, springs, and dampers. The original poster is tasked with deriving a differential equation that relates the output to the input and finding its Laplace transform.

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  • The original poster attempts to formulate the governing differential equations for the system based on the forces acting on each mass. They seek guidance on the next steps after establishing these equations.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the initial differential equations and the subsequent algebraic manipulations.
  • One participant suggests a method for expressing one mass's position in terms of the other and differentiating to find the necessary derivatives for the Laplace transform.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the accuracy of their derived response and seeks confirmation on their analysis of the system.

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this all occurs on a horizontal plane.

a force is applied to a 2kg mass (m1). a damper is on the same side of the mass as the force and it is attached to a wall. its value is 4kg/s(b1). a spring is on the opposite side of the mass with a K value of 5(k1). the opposite end of the spring is attached to another mass of 6 kg(m2). on the other side of this mass is a spring with K of 10(k2) and a damper with a value of 4(b2). both the spring and the damper are tied to the wall. I am supposed to find a differential equation that relates the output to the input and find the laplace transform of it.
the y values correspond to the position of each mass.
heres what i have so far.
for the first mass:

F = m1*y1'' + b1*y1' + k1*y1 - k2*y2

second mass:
0 = m2*y2'' + b2*y2' - k2*y2 + k1*y1


where do i go from here?
 
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okay, i got an answer that relates Y2 and F. numerator is 6s^2 +4s + 10
denominator is 12s^4 + 20s^3 + 66s^2 +60s +25.

i got the step response using MATLAB but it doesn't look quite right.
 
I don't have time to work out the problem completely, but you should use the second equation to solve for [itex]y_1[/itex]:

[itex]y_1=\frac{1}{k_1}[-m_2\ddot{y_2}-b_2\dot{y_2}+k_2y_2][/itex],

and then differentiate twice to get [itex]\dot{y_1}[/itex] and [itex]\ddot{y_1}[/itex]. Then you can sub those into the first equation and take the Laplace transform.

If that's what you did, and you don't think your answer is correct, then check your algebra.
 
can i get a confirmation that i analyzed the system properly? i mean as far as the beginning differential equations.
 
did i set up the opening differential equations right?
 
heres, what i got for an answer :

- 2/5 Y2 4th derivative, -32/5 Y2 3rd der. - 6/5 y2 2nd der and + 4 Y2 1st der.
is this right?
 

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