Solving Systems of Equations: #14 & #15

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The discussion revolves around solving systems of equations represented in matrix form. Participants are addressing two specific problems, labeled #14 and #15, which involve finding solutions for variables in a system of linear equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are sharing their attempts at expressing solutions in parametric form and discussing the relationships between variables. Some are questioning their own steps and whether they have made errors in their calculations or assumptions.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with some participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of equations and the selection of free variables, but no consensus has been reached on the final solutions.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of row reduction and the implications of choosing different variables to express in terms of others. There are indications of confusion regarding the correct form of the equations and the implications of their manipulations.

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Hello everyone
I started out with 2 matrices, which are 2 separate problems but both want the same thing. It says Solve the system.
Here are the 2 problems:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8382/matrix9ek.jpg #14 and #15, i got answers for, but I don't know how to put it in that form.
for #14 i got:
-2x1 + x2 = 5;
0x1 + 0x2 = 0;

#15.

z = 7/22;
x+y + 5z = 1;
x+y = -13/22;

thanks.
 
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For #14.

The equation you end up with is [itex]- 2x_1 + x_2 = 5 \Leftrightarrow x_2 = 5 + 2x_1[/itex]

Let [itex]x_2 = s[/itex] then you have the set of solutions

[tex]V = \left\{ {\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {5 + 2s} \\<br /> s \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]|s \in \mathbb{R}} \right\}[/tex]

You can write this as

[tex]\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_1 } \\<br /> {x_2 } \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] = \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 5 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] + \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 2 \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]s[/tex]

#15 is very similar, try that one :smile:
 
thank u so much, excellent explanation!
 
For number 15, I did the following:
[itex]x_1 + x_2 +5x_2 = 1[/itex]
[itex]x_3 = 7/22[/itex]
[itex]x_1 + x_2 = -13/22[/itex]
[itex]x_1 = -13/22 - x_2[/itex]
[itex]x_2 = -13/22 - x_1[/itex]


[tex]V = \left\{ {\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {-13/22 - s} \\<br /> {-13/22 - s} \\<br /> { 0+ 7/22}\\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]|s \in \mathbb{R}} \right\}[/tex]


[tex]\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {x_1 } \\<br /> {x_2 } \\<br /> {x_3} \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] = \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> -13/22 \\<br /> -13/22 \\<br /> 0\\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] + \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> -1 \\<br /> -1 \\<br /> 7/22\\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]s[/tex]

did i do that right or did i screw somthing up? Thanks.
 
Sorry, I was away for a while :smile:

It seems half-right... So we have:

[tex]\left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> x + y + 5z = 1 \hfill \\<br /> x + y = - 13/22 \hfill \\<br /> z = 7/22 \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right. \Leftrightarrow \left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> x + y = 1 - 5z = - 13/22 \hfill \\<br /> x + y = - 13/22 \hfill \\<br /> z = 7/22 \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right[/tex]

Now you see that the first 2 equations are the same, so we get to choose 1 (useful) variable, here either x or y. I'll choose y, so let [itex]y = s[/itex].

[tex]\left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> x = - 13/22 - s \hfill \\<br /> y = s \hfill \\<br /> z = 7/22 \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right[/tex]

So we have the following solutions set

[tex]V = \left\{ {\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> { - 13/22 - s} \\<br /> s \\<br /> {7/22} \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]|s \in \mathbb{R}} \right\}[/tex]

In parametric form this would give (watch where there is no s! z is indepedant of s!)

[tex]\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> x \\<br /> y \\<br /> z \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] = \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> { - 13/22} \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> {7/22} \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] + \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> { - 1} \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]s[/tex]
 
Thanks a lot! sorry I'm really bad with these and the professor didn't explain jack
 
I hope it's more clear now, don't hesitate to ask for more details :smile:
 
Shiza...I just submitted that answer and it was wrong, So i went back and row reduced and I think I messed up. I can't row reduce any further then this can I?
|1 1 5 1|
|5 4 -2 -3|
-5R1 + R2 -> R2
|1 1 5 1 |
|0 -1 -27 -8|

Anything i do now just tkaes out a 0 and puts back a number. On the orignal problem I then thought I could do R1+R2.

So I'm left with
x+y+5z = 1
-y - 27z = -8
How do you choose what variable you let s to equal?
THanks.
 
Ah, I didn't check the original problems to see if your earlier work was correct.
So we have the initial problem:

[tex]\left\{ \begin{gathered}<br /> x + y + 5z = 1 \hfill \\<br /> 5x + 4y - 2z = - 3 \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} \right[/tex]

In matrix-form:

[tex]\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 & 1 & 5 & 1 \\<br /> 5 & 4 & { - 2} & { - 3} \\<br /> \end{array} } \right)[/tex]

Now, what you did is correct but it's not finished yet, you can reduce more.
Normally, after full row reduction, you should get:

[tex]\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 1 & 0 & { - 22} & { - 7} \\<br /> 0 & 1 & {27} & 8 \\<br /> \end{array} } \right)[/tex]

Can you take it from here?
 
  • #11
Well, almost :)

Somewhere in the middle, you let [itex]z = s[/itex], so you get:

[tex]\left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> x \\<br /> y \\<br /> z \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] = \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> { - 7} \\<br /> 8 \\<br /> 0 \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right] + \left[ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> {22} \\<br /> { - 27} \\<br /> 1 \\<br /> <br /> \end{array} } \right]s[/tex]
 
  • #12
ahh so close, how did you get a 1 for z?
In the equations, i never solved for z, i just let z = s, and z always had l ike 20 or 27 as a coefficient, thanks for the help@
 
  • #13
Indeed, but because z = s, the coëfficiënt of s for z is 1, no? But there is no constant, hence the 0 is in the first column. It's not because you substitute z that it disappears...
 
  • #14
OHhh! :biggrin: Thank you for that explanation!
 
  • #15
No problem :smile:
 

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