How do they date ancient times?

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The discussion centers on the methods used to date ancient times, particularly in the context of geological and paleontological timelines. It explores various dating techniques beyond carbon dating, including their accuracy and applicability to different time scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that carbon dating is not suitable for dating billions of years ago due to its inaccuracies.
  • Others propose that radioactive/radiometric dating using isotopes with long half-lives is a viable alternative.
  • One participant suggests that the discussion should be moved to the "Earth" forum, indicating a broader scope than just organisms.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of dating methods, with one participant noting that the accuracy is a fraction of the half-life of the isotope used, leading to significant potential errors over long timescales.
  • Another participant points out that error margins in radiometric dating can be around 1%, which complicates the interpretation of cause and effect in geological history.
  • Additional methods for dating ancient strata are mentioned, including paleo-magnetism, fossil identification, dendrochronology, varve counting, ice core analysis, and others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and accuracy of various dating methods, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on which methods are superior or most reliable.

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Limitations include the dependence on the specific isotopes used for radiometric dating, the potential for significant error margins over vast timescales, and the varying applicability of different methods to specific geological contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying geology, paleontology, or anyone curious about the methods used to date ancient geological and biological events.

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I mean billions of years ago, when carbon dating is too inaccurate.
 
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There are other dating methods aside from just carbon dating. I'm going to recommend this topic get moved to the "Earth" forum since your question addresses more than just organisms.
 
Sorry for the wrong location, it was the first place I could think of. X.X


What is the accuracy of this dating?
 
HERE is more on long-term radioactive dating, but essentially the accuracy is a fraction of the half-life of the isotope you are using, not a specific number of years. So if one dating technique gives a 10% error over 3 billion years, that's a possible error of 300 million years. Obviously, such a technique wouldn't work too well if you want to measure the age of something that is only 30 million years old.
 
Error margins of radiometric dating are order of magnitude of 1%, which is rather disturbing when trying to find out what is cause and what is effect.

Another important tool for dating of very old stratifocations is paleo-magnetism. As the Earth magnetic field has reversed many times, this is recorded in the rocks and an excellent record of these reversals is available. So many scientists earn their living with investigating sediments for magnetic polarisation, trying to identify those reversals.

Yet another dating method is identificing fossils. Many extinct species like planktonic type of micro-organisms that fossilize easily, did have a short livespan. The Sepkoski Compendium (Bulletin American Paleontology no. 363, Ithaca 2002) contains 36,380 of those "marine genera" (single: genus, a group of closely related species) dated back to 540 million years ago.

For the short term there are loads of additional methods, dendrochronology, varve counting (yearly lake sediment layers), Ice core layers and contents, volcanic glass layers (tephra) of known eruptions, thermo - opto illuminicense, wiggle matching and what have you.
 

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