Predicting Future System State Without Time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of predicting the future state of a system without incorporating time as a factor. Participants explore theoretical implications and analogies related to this concept, touching on the nature of time-dependent systems and mathematical relationships.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of predicting future states without time, suggesting that time serves as a necessary measure for such predictions.
  • Another participant uses an analogy involving the equation y=2x to illustrate that one cannot determine an output without knowing the corresponding input, implying a similar dependency on time.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if time-related physical relations exist, then the future state can be determined, although the phrasing is unclear.
  • One participant explicitly states that predicting the future without time seems impossible, as any future prediction inherently relies on the passage of time.
  • A question is raised about defining "future" without referencing time, indicating a conceptual challenge in the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that the answer may depend on whether the system is time-dependent, mentioning the Wheeler-Dewitt equation as an interesting case where time may not be present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of time in predictions, with some asserting that time is essential while others explore the implications of systems where time may not be a factor. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of some statements, particularly regarding the nature of time-dependent versus time-independent systems, and the implications of the Wheeler-Dewitt equation are not fully explored.

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Is it possible to predict the future state of a system without using time as a factor?
 
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but let me try an analogy and see if you think it fits: consider an equation such as y=2x. Is it possible to calculate "y" without knowing "x"? No.
 
If the time phys relation exist

If the time phys relations is exist. the progress is determind. as this serious , the time can determind in another.
 
Originally posted by imi
Is it possible to predict the future state of a system without using time as a factor?

no i wouldnt' imagine it would. because your using time as a measuring stick (the future) so any predictions on the future would be based on the extent of time that passes. unless it pretains to the status if nonexistant things (like the lotto numbers)
 
How do you define the "future" without referring to time?
 
The simple answer would be: it depends on whether the system is time-dependent, if it is as most systems are then no.

Interestingly, I am lead to believe that time 'disappears' from the Wheeler-Dewitt equation.
 

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