Mastering Rational Expressions: Simple Tips and Tricks for Advanced Math Classes

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The discussion revolves around rational expressions, specifically focusing on solving an equation involving a rational expression. Participants are exploring the steps necessary to manipulate and solve the equation while clarifying the use of parentheses and common denominators.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the importance of correctly using parentheses in rational expressions and question the original poster's steps in solving the equation. There are attempts to clarify the process of eliminating denominators and simplifying expressions.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting the multiplication of both sides by the common denominator. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the steps taken, with some participants expressing confusion and seeking further clarification on the process.

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There is an indication that the original poster is under pressure to understand the material quickly due to the fast pace of the advanced math class. Additionally, there are mentions of homework constraints that require specific methods, such as solving by factoring.

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Right now in math class we are learning rational expressions. Since I am in an advanced math class, it seems like we learn a new lesson everyday. So if you don't understand something, you pretty much need to teach yourself. I don't really understand rational expressions, so can someone tell me if I am doing these two problems right(If I am doing wrong please tell me how to do them.)

Problem: x/3 = 4/x+4

Answer: 1) First I found a common denominator.
3x+12(x/3) = 3x+12(4/x+4)
2) So I got x+4 = x+3
3) Then the answer would be x=-4, x=-3

Am I right?
 
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Watch out with the brackets, I suppose you mean

[tex]\frac{x}{3} = \frac{4}{{x + 4}}[/tex]

Now, multiply both sides with a common denominator to get rid of the denominators, so with for example [itex]3\left( {x + 4} \right)[/itex]
 
First off, you need to learn to use parentheses correctly. Whenever an addition or subtraction is supposed to happen before a multiplication or division, you need parentheses.

For example:

[tex]4/x+4 = \frac{4}{x} + 4[/tex]

but

[tex]4/(x+4) = \frac{4}{x+4}[/tex]


(3) is totally wrong -- if x+3 = x+4, then x=-4 and x=-3 are certainly not solutions.

But... (2) is also totally wrong. You skipped a bunch of steps, so I don't know what you're doing wrong. Multiplication by 3x+12 was a reasonable idea, though. Could you post your work?
 
See, I don't know my work. I have no idea what I am doing. This is as far as I got with the book. I am supposed to simplify and check
 
Well, try what I said. By multiplying both sides with 3, you lose the left denominator. Then, multiply both sides with x+4, this will get rid off the right denominator :smile:
 
Another Question

so would i then have 3(3) = x2 = 4 ?
 
Never Mind, I think I'll just give up. It is way to hard for me to understand
 
I'll show you that first step. We multiply both sides with 3.
At the LHS, the 3 will cancel out with the denominator, as we wanted.
At the RHS, you can simplify it by multiplying it when the nominator.

[tex]\frac{x}{3} = \frac{4}{{x + 4}} \Leftrightarrow 3 \cdot \frac{x}{3} = 3 \cdot \frac{4}{{x + 4}} \Leftrightarrow x = \frac{{12}}{{x + 4}}[/tex]

Now, try losing the right denominator by multiplying both sides with (x+4) in the same way :smile:
 
So would I do this?

x+4 * x = 12/ x+4 * x+4

Then I would get . . .

x(x+4) = 12(x+4)

Right?

If so, what do I do next?
 
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wait I made a mistake . . .

It would be x(x=4) = 12
Right...
 
  • #11
I mean x(x+4) = 12

Right
 
  • #12
Yes:

x/3 = 4/(x+4)

implies

x(x+4) = 12
 
  • #13
mlbmaniaco said:
I mean x(x+4) = 12

Right
Correct! :smile:

Now bring everything to 1 side and you have a quadratic equation.
Solve with the quadratic formula or by factoring.
 
  • #14
We are supposed to solve by factoring, so how do I do that?
 
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So we have

[tex]x\left( {x + 4} \right) = 12 \Leftrightarrow x^2 + 4x - 12 = 0[/tex]

Personally, I would factor just by finding zeroes :smile:
The divisors of the constant (-12) are 'possible candidates'...
 

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