Newton's 2nd Law and Orbital Motion

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The discussion revolves around applying Newton's 2nd law in the context of orbital motion, specifically for a charged particle moving in a circular orbit within a magnetic field. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly due to a lack of familiarity with orbital motion concepts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the magnetic force and the motion of the charged particle, with some suggesting that the classical analysis can be adapted to the relativistic case. Others raise questions about the original poster's understanding of the classical scenario and its relevance to the current problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing mathematical insights and alternative perspectives on the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need to connect classical concepts to the relativistic framework, but no consensus has been reached on a clear path forward for the original poster.

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The original poster indicates a lack of memory regarding classical orbital motion, which may be impacting their ability to engage with the problem effectively. This gap in knowledge is acknowledged by other participants in the thread.

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Here's the problem...unfortunately I don't remember much about orbital motion. I'm a bit stuck on where to begin. If somebody could give me a little advice on how to tackle this problem I would appreciate it.

Recall that the magnetic force on a charge q moving with velocity v in a magnetic field B is equal to qvXB. If a charged particle moves in a circular orbit with a fixed speed v in the presence of a constant magnetic field, use the relativistic form of Newton's 2nd law to show that the frequency of its orbital motion is

f=((qB)/(2pim))(1-(v^2/c^2))^(1/2)
 
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If the speed is constant then

[tex]\frac {d \vec v}{dt} = \vec v \times \vec \Omega[/tex]

where [itex]\vec \Omega = q \vec B / m_0[/itex]. There are a number of ways to proceed from here but it should be apparent that the same analysis you did in the classical case will work except that B is replaced by [itex]B / \gamma[/itex] from which your result follows.
 
still stuck

Still stuck since I don't really remember the classical case.
 
In that case, consider ...

[tex]\frac {d v_x} {dt} = \Omega v_y[/tex]

and

[tex]\frac {d v_y} {dt } = - \Omega v_x[/tex]

Differentiate, say, the first and substitute the second into the first:

[tex]\frac {d^2 v_x} {dt^2} = - \Omega^2 v_x[/tex]

from which it should be evident that the motion is sinusoidal with frequency [itex]\Omega[/itex].
 
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