What are the shapes of molecular orbitals?

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The discussion revolves around the shapes of various hybridized atomic orbitals, including sp, sp2, sp3, dsp2, dsp3, d2sp3, and d3sp3, as well as the distinction between atomic and molecular orbitals. Participants explore the geometric configurations of these orbitals and question the existence of certain hybridizations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the shapes of sp, sp2, sp3, dsp2, dsp3, and d2sp3 orbitals, noting their geometric arrangements around the nucleus.
  • Another participant questions the existence of a d3sp3 orbital but speculates on its potential shape, suggesting it would have 5 lobes arranged in a pentagon with additional lobes oriented perpendicular to the plane.
  • A later reply confirms the existence of d3sp3 orbitals, providing examples such as PCl5, PF5, and SbCl5, and acknowledges the accuracy of the previous description of its shape.
  • There is a distinction made between hybridized atomic orbitals and molecular orbitals, with one participant stating that the orbitals discussed do not represent molecular orbitals but rather atomic orbitals.
  • Another participant mentions that molecular orbitals, in the context of certain approximations, differ significantly from the hybridized orbitals discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of d3sp3 orbitals, with some affirming its existence and others initially questioning it. There is no consensus on the relationship between hybridized atomic orbitals and molecular orbitals, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion of hybridized orbitals may be limited to semiempirical contexts and basic chemistry courses, suggesting that the applicability of these concepts may vary based on the level of study.

Neha Sanghvi
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Please, can someone answer my question? I know the shape of sp hybrid orbital, but want to know about the others ( sp2,sp3,dsp2,dsp3,d2sp3,d3sp3 ). And are there any other type of molecular orbitals?
 
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Okay, an sp hybrid orbital looks pretty much like one of the p-orbitals. It has 2 lobes directed at 180 deg from each other. The other hybrid orbitals too take on shapes that reflect the symmetry of the hybridisation.

sp2 orbitals have 3 such lobes pointing out towards the vertices of an equilateral triangle centered on the nucleus.

sp3 orbitals have 4 lobes pointing out towards the vertices of a regular tetrahedron centered on the nucleus.

dsp2 orbitals have 4 lobes pointing out towards the vertices of a square centered on the nucleus.

dsp3 orbitals have 3 lobes pointing out towards the vertices of an equilateral triangle centered on the nucleus and the other 2 pointing normal to this plane, one upwards and one downwards.

d2sp3 orbitals have 4 lobes pointing out towards the vertices of a square centered on the nucleus and the other 2 pointing normal to this plane, one upwards and one downwards.

I've never come across a d3sp3 orbital, but if that were to exist, I would imagine that it would have have 5 lobes pointing out towards the vertices of a regular pentagon centered on the nucleus and the other 2 pointing normal to this plane, one upwards and one downwards. (I wouldn't extend this beyond 5 though; the in-plane angle will become significantly smaller than the out of plane angle, and that wouldn't be very stable).


Oh, and by the way, none of these are molecular orbitals. They are all hybridized ATOMIC orbitals.
 
Gokul43201 said:
I've never come across a d3sp3 orbital, but if that were to exist, I would imagine that it would have have 5 lobes pointing out towards the vertices of a regular pentagon centered on the nucleus and the other 2 pointing normal to this plane, one upwards and one downwards. (I wouldn't extend this beyond 5 though; the in-plane angle will become significantly smaller than the out of plane angle, and that wouldn't be very stable).
Well, thanks for everything, but u know d3sp3 does exist. Examples are PCl5, PF5, SbCl5. By the way, yes, your imagination is correct. I found out its shape. It's what you described. Thanks.

So, what are molecular orbitals then?
 
Neha Sanghvi said:
Well, thanks for everything, but u know d3sp3 does exist. Examples are PCl5, PF5, SbCl5. By the way, yes, your imagination is correct. I found out its shape. It's what you described. Thanks.
So, what are molecular orbitals then?

Atomic orbital is the orbital of electron in an atom.Molecular orbital is the orbital of electron in a molecule.

Orbitals that you wrote form molecular orbitals (in the approximation of EV). In the approximation of OM, molecular orbitals are completely different and there is not any thing like sp3 etc.

Your orbitals are valid for semiempirical questions and, in chemistry, only used in basic courses of organic or inorganic chemistry.
 
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