Critical Density and Vander Waal's Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Vander Waals constants 'a' and 'b' for a substance given its critical density and critical pressure. Participants explore the implications of missing data, specifically the molecular weight and critical temperature, and how these affect the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates values for 'a' and 'b' but questions the completeness of the data provided, noting the absence of molecular mass and critical temperature.
  • Another participant asserts that the data is complete, explaining that critical pressure and critical density are sufficient to determine 'a' and 'b' using two equations.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how to use critical density to calculate 'b', presenting their reasoning and formulas but arriving at a value inconsistent with the provided answer.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake regarding the units and agrees that the question may have been copied down incompletely, emphasizing the need for the molecular weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the data provided is complete. There are competing views regarding the necessity of additional information for the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the missing molecular weight and critical temperature, which are necessary for a complete analysis. The discussion also reflects uncertainty in the application of critical density in the calculations.

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" Critical Density of a substance having molecular weight is 0.555 gm/cc and the critical pressure is 48 atm. Calculate the Vander Waals constants 'a' and 'b'. "

Ans: a= 5.645 atm lit^2/mol^2
b= 0.066 lit/mol

My dear friendS! it looks like to me that the data is incomplete here as there is not molecular mass or critical temperature given there. Can you help me in solving this prob. I shall be very thankful to you for this act of kindness.

Thanks and Good Bye
 
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Shaiq, the data is complete. There are two unknowns 'a', and 'b', and both the critical pressure and critical density depend only on these two constants (in fact, the critical density is related only to 'b').

Two equations (do you know them?), two unknowns.
 
how to use critical density there!

Hi Gokul!

Well! my dear friend! thanks a lot for your precious help. But here's a little problem which I am facing you see is this that how to use this critical density to calculate "b". Now i know two formulae here:

[tex]P_{c}=\frac{a}{27b^2}[/tex]

[tex]V_{c}=3b[/tex]

Now my dear friend! i know that density is mass/vol. Now can i write critical density as critical mass/critical volume. If supposing that this is the formula then don't you think that we should proceed in this way:

[tex]V_{c}=3b[/tex]
[tex]\frac{m_{c}}{V_{c}}=\frac{m_{c}}{3b}[/tex]
[tex]0.555gm/cc=\frac{0.555gm}{3b}[/tex]
[tex]b=\frac{0.555gm}{3\times0.555gm/cc}[/tex]

now this yield in a value of b=0.333 which is not correct as in the answers, the correct value of b is b=0.066 lit/mol

what should i do now?? please help me as soon as possible
 
I'm sorry, I didn't look at the units carefully before. I apologize.

shaiqbashir said:
" Critical Density of a substance having molecular weight <number missing here> is 0.555 gm/cc and the critical pressure is 48 atm. Calculate the Vander Waals constants 'a' and 'b'. "
You ARE correct. Actually, I think you may have copied the question down incompletely. It promises a molecular weight but does not give you the number. Yes, you need the MW.
 
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