Finding the Tangent Line to a Level Curve at a Given Point: How Do I Do It?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of the tangent line to a level curve defined by the function f(x,y) = x^2 + 4y^2 at a specific point (2,1) in the xy-plane. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanation related to gradients and tangent lines.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method to find the gradient vector at the point (2,1) and expresses uncertainty about how to derive the equation of the tangent line.
  • Another participant suggests using the dot product to find a vector parallel to the gradient, proposing the equation 4x + 8y = 0 as a tangent line.
  • A later reply corrects the previous assertion, stating that the proposed equation does not pass through the point (2,1) and clarifies that the gradient is perpendicular to the level curve.
  • The correction includes deriving the correct tangent line equation 4x + 8y = 16 that does pass through the specified point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the initial method for finding the tangent line, as there is disagreement regarding the correctness of the proposed tangent line equation. The discussion reflects competing views on the approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of parallel and perpendicular vectors in the context of tangent lines and gradients. The initial misunderstanding about the relationship between the gradient and the tangent line adds complexity to the discussion.

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Hi, I had problem solving one question.
Please help me. I included my answers. Please check to make sure that my way is right.
1. IF f(x,y) = x^2 +4y^2, find the gradient vector f(2,1) and use it to find the tanenet line to the level curve f(x,y) = 8 in the xy-plane at the point (2,1).

I solved this way:

f(x,y) = x^2 + 4y^2
gradient f(x,y) = <fsubx, fsuby>
fsubx = 2x
fsuby = 8y
therefore, gradient f(x,y) = <2x,8y>
gradient f(2,1) = <4,8>
f(x,y) = 8

HOW DO I FIND THE EQUATION OF TANGENT LINE?
- I know how to find the equation of tangent plane, but i don't know how to find line. If you can tell me how to find it, i would greatly appreciate your help and intellect.

AND, please make sure that What i did until now is right.
Thank you so much.
 
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You want to find ANY vector that is parallel to the gradient at the point specified, and then simplify it.

Do this using the fact that the dot-product of two vectors is zero when they are parallel.

That is, if X, Y are vectors, then they are parallel if and only if
X dot Y = 0 .

So, let X = <x,y> and we have grad(F(2, 1)) = <4,8>.

The equation of the tangent is thus <x,y> dot <4, 8> = 0.

Or, 4x + 8y = 0.
Or, y = -x/2.
 
pnaj- you used "parallel" when you meant "perpendicular"!


Also, 4x+ 8y= 0 is NOT tangent to the level curve f(x,y) = 8 in the xy-plane at the point (2,1). For one thing, it doesn't go through (2, 1)!

Yes, the gradient is perpendicular to the level curve and the tangent to ax+ by= c is perependicular to <a, b> so we can take
a= 4, b= 8. We then calculate c so that the line goes through (2, 1). At (2, 1), 4x+ 8y= c become 8+ 8= 16. The tangent line to
f(x,y)= 8 at (2, 1) is 4x+ 8y= 16.
 
Doh!

Thanks for the correction!
 

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