Brain scans might be better lie detectors

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The discussion revolves around the potential effectiveness of brain scans as lie detectors compared to traditional methods like polygraphs. Participants explore the implications of brain activity control, belief in one's own lies, and the nuances of lying, including rehearsed versus spontaneous lies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether brain scans can accurately detect lies, given that individuals may control their brain activity through practices like meditation.
  • There is a consideration of how belief in one's own lies complicates the effectiveness of any lie detection method.
  • One participant suggests that while brain scans might not reveal truthfulness, they could indicate altered brain activity patterns, leading to inconclusive results.
  • Another viewpoint discusses the difference between actively fabricating a lie and recalling a rehearsed one, suggesting that different brain activity patterns may emerge in each case.
  • Participants reflect on personal experiences with lying, noting that children may genuinely believe their own lies, raising questions about the implications for lie detection technology.
  • There is a general sentiment that brain scans could be more promising than polygraph tests, although this remains speculative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness of brain scans as lie detectors, with no consensus reached. Some agree that the technology may be better than polygraphs, while others raise concerns about its limitations and the complexity of human belief and memory.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential for variations in brain activity based on the nature of the lie (e.g., rehearsed versus spontaneous) and the psychological state of the individual, but these factors remain unresolved in the discussion.

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That's interesting. Hasn't it been shown scientifically though that people are capable of controling their brain activity when meditating? And what about people who truly believe what they are saying even if they are lying? I don't think that this device would help with that would it?
 
TheStatutoryApe said:
That's interesting. Hasn't it been shown scientifically though that people are capable of controling their brain activity when meditating? And what about people who truly believe what they are saying even if they are lying? I don't think that this device would help with that would it?
I don't know. The only thing I know is, I usually don't need a lie detector to know whether someone's lying or not. I just look at people's eyes and well it's clear. Of course I should say fortunately people around me aren't professional liars like politicians or criminals! :-p
 
Lisa! said:
I don't know. The only thing I know is, I usually don't need a lie detector to know whether someone's lying or not. I just look at people's eyes and well it's clear. Of course I should say fortunately people around me aren't professional liars like politicians or criminals! :-p

Let's hope you never run into a smooth talking sociopath.
 
TheStatutoryApe said:
That's interesting. Hasn't it been shown scientifically though that people are capable of controling their brain activity when meditating? And what about people who truly believe what they are saying even if they are lying? I don't think that this device would help with that would it?
I don't know about meditation, though I'd expect even that would show up as a characteristic pattern of activity if it were studied (I don't know if it has or hasn't...just a guess here), and while it might not show if someone was being truthful, if you could tell they were doing something that altered their brain activity patterns, you could at least count the results as inconclusive.

As for someone believing a lie, that's not so much being untruthful as delusional and would be more of a pathology than just lying.

I wonder if it would also make a difference how well rehearsed a lie is. If you're fabricating a story while the recording is done, I would think it would show up as a different activity pattern than if you've committed a lie to memory through much repetition so that you use a different part of your brain to recall the lie rather than to actively fabricate it. Or what if you mix in partial lies and partial truths...an embelleshment rather than a total lie.

Nonetheless, I would think it would have more promise than a polygraph test.
 
I know that some of my friends and I agree that when we were kids and lied a lot we practically believed what it was that we were saying. I remember lying to my parents and genuinely breaking down in tears because they didn't believe me. I was a terrible little brat.
So I'm just wondering what difference something like that might make. Or even just a person who is mentally imbalanced.
Like you said it would probably be better than a polygraph at any rate.


By the way, congrats on your new Super Mentor status Moonie!
 

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