Sum of Roots of x^3 - mx^2 + nx - 1 = 0

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The discussion revolves around the polynomial equation x^3 - mx^2 + nx - 1 = 0, where the roots are proposed to be m, n, and 1. Participants are exploring the implications of these roots and how to determine their values.

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  • Participants are examining the relationships between the roots and coefficients, with some attempting to derive conditions for m and n based on the roots. Questions arise regarding the validity of different sets of roots and how to confirm which set satisfies the original polynomial.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that there may be multiple solutions, while others provide reasoning that leads to a singular conclusion about the roots. Guidance has been offered regarding the implications of polynomial division and the relationships between m and n.

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Participants are working under the assumption that m, n, and 1 are non-zero roots, and there is a focus on validating the conditions under which these roots hold true. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the completeness of the solutions derived from the polynomial.

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If m, n, and 1 are non-zero roots of the equation [tex]x^3 - mx^2 + nx - 1 = 0[/tex], then find the sum of the roots

This is what I did..

m, n, 1 are the roots. m and n not equal to 0

[tex]x^3 - mx^2 + nx - 1 = 0[/tex]
f(m) = 0 --> m^3 - m^3 + mn - 1
1 = mn (1)

f(1) = 1 - m + n - 1 = 0
... m = n (2)

Sub (2) --> (1)

[tex]m^2 = 1[/tex]
[tex]m = +/- 1<br /> <br /> since m and n are equal... the roots must be either 1, 1, 1 or -1, -1, 1. The answer on the sheet says the answer is -1. So my question is, how do we determine which roots are the answers. Thanks[/tex]
 
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This might work. If m, n, and 1 are the roots, that means (x-m)*(x-n)*(x-1) = 0. If you multiply this out and substitute the 2 different sets of values for m & n, I'm guessing that only 1 set is valid.
 
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oops nvm it didn't work
 
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looks like there are 2 possible solutions.
 
There is only one solution. I used long division. If you divide your polynomial by (x-1), you know you should get a quadratic polynomial, but you get:

x² + (1-m)x + (n+1-m) + (n-m)/(x-1)

So you know n - m = 0. This is one useful fact. Now you're left with:

x² + (1-m)x + (n+1-m)

You know that m is a root of this polynomial, so dividing by (x-m) should give a linear polynomial. When you do the long division, you get:

x + 1 + (n+1)/(x-m)

So you know n + 1 = 0. This gives n = -1. Having already got that n - m = 0, you now get m = -1. And you have the other root being 1.

(-1) + (-1) + 1 = -1.
 
Good one AKG! :redface:
 
In your very first post, you note that the solutions must be either {1, 1, 1} or {1, -1, -1} and ask how can you tell that only {1, -1, -1} is correct.

If {1, 1, 1} were the roots, then the equation could be written
(x-1)(x-1)(x-1)= 0 but (x-1)(x-1)(x-1)= x3- 3x2+ 3x- 1, not x3- x2+ x- 1 as it should be with m=n= 1.

If {1, -1, -1}, on the other hand, were the roots then the equation could be written (x-1)(x+1)(x+1)= (x2- 1)(x+1)= x3+x2- x- 1 as required.
 

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