Q: The Mystery of Neutrinos from Collapsing Stars: What Kind are They?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of neutrinos produced during the collapse of stars, specifically focusing on the type of neutrinos generated and the implications of lepton number conservation. Participants explore theoretical aspects of neutrino production and oscillation, as well as historical context regarding solar neutrino experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the neutrinos produced during the collapse of a star are electron neutrinos, as electron lepton number must be conserved.
  • Others argue that while the neutrinos are initially electron neutrinos, they can interact as different types (electron, muon, or tau neutrinos) due to neutrino oscillations.
  • A participant mentions the historical context of the solar neutrino problem, where experiments detected fewer electron neutrinos than expected, suggesting that neutrino oscillations might explain this discrepancy.
  • There is a discussion about the conservation of lepton number versus electron lepton number, with some participants clarifying that while lepton number is conserved, different types of neutrinos (tau and muon) share the same lepton number but not the same electron lepton number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the neutrinos produced are electron neutrinos, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of lepton number conservation and the behavior of neutrinos upon interaction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of lepton number conservation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of lepton numbers and the unresolved nature of how neutrino oscillations affect the detection of different neutrino types.

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The core of the collapsing star is initially composed of iron supported by electron degeneracy pressure, since the nuclear fusion of iron doesn't release energy. When the core collapses, the densities and pressures in the core overcome even the electron degeneracy pressure and the iron atoms' electrons are compressed into their nuclei where they combine with protons to form neutrons.
electron + proton --> neutron + neutrino
But what kind of neutrino is it? Electron?
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I'd say yes - electron lepton number has to be conserved.
 
Yes, it's an electron neutrino when it's produced. However, when it finally interacts with something (e.g. a neutrino detector here on Earth), it can do so as an electron neutrino, a muon neutrino or a tau neutrino, via the phenomenon of "neutrino oscillations".

A significant fraction of neutrinos produced by the sun do not interact as electron neutrinos here on Earth. Solar neutrino experiments could detect only electron neutrinos, so there was an apparent deficit of solar neutrinos compared to theoretical predictions according to models of how the sun works. This puzzled physicists for many years. But other experiments on neutrino oscillations have convinced most physicists (as far as I know) that neutrino oscillations are the solution to the "solar neutrino problem".
 
Ahhh, is that why a separate conservation law for (non-specific) lepton number exists? I was wondering what the point of that was.
 
I'd say yes - electron lepton number has to be conserved.

Well, no because tau and muon neutrinos have the same lepton number as electrons and electron neutrinos.
 
Entropy said:
Well, no because tau and muon neutrinos have the same lepton number as electrons and electron neutrinos.
They have the same lepton number, but not the same electron lepton number. See the above conversation. Lepton number is conserved. Electron number, muon number and tau number are also conserved in particle decays of the kind outlined by the OP.
 

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