Solving a Gravitation Problem: Finding the Size of a Solid Gold Sphere

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems: one involving the calculation of the size of a solid gold sphere based on its density and the gravitational acceleration at its surface, and the other concerning the orbital period of a lunar module around the Moon. The participants are exploring concepts related to gravitation and orbital mechanics.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the mass and radius of the Earth to find the size of a gold sphere that would exert a specific gravitational force. They express confusion about their calculations and seek assistance. Another participant suggests combining equations for gravitational acceleration and mass to find the sphere's size.
  • In the second problem, participants discuss the need for specific values and the application of Kepler's Third Law, with some expressing uncertainty about the necessary parameters for the calculations.

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Some participants have offered guidance on combining equations to approach the first problem, while others are still grappling with the second problem and seeking clarification on the values needed for calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods without a clear consensus.

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Participants mention the density of gold and the gravitational acceleration as key factors in the first problem. In the second problem, there is a reference to needing additional information about the Moon's mass and radius, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup.

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Here's the problem I've been working on.

Gold has density of 19.3x103 kg/m3. How big would a solid gold sphere have to be if the acceleration due to gravity at its surface is to be 9.87 m/s2? (Check your answer against the radius of the Earth, which has a mean density of 5.5x103 kg/m3.)

Now I'm probably making this way to hard, and I am completely lost, and was wondering if anyone could help me out. The only way i could think to do this problem, was to calculate out the mass, then the radius, and volume of the earth. Then use the density of gold to find out how large a gold ball would have to be to be the same weight as earth.

But then when i get the radius of the gold ball and plug it into the equation g=G*(Me/Re^2) which should equal 9.87, but it equals like 15. so i know i screwed up somewhere.

I just can't think of how to do this problem.

any help is much appreciated
 
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Either my problems are incredibly hard, and expect way to much from you, or i am being stupid and trying to do things the hard way.

Each of the Apollo Lunar Modules was in a very low orbit around the Moon. Given a typical mass of 14.7 E 3 kg, assume an altitude of 64.0 km and determine the orbital period.

this problem has me stumped to. I find myself having to look up things on the internet, such as the mass of the moon and radius of the moon and crap like that. This can't possibly be that involved can it. So that's why i think I'm doing this all wrong, and was just wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction.
 
jakeowens said:
Gold has density of 19.3x103 kg/m3. How big would a solid gold sphere have to be if the acceleration due to gravity at its surface is to be 9.87 m/s2? (Check your answer against the radius of the Earth, which has a mean density of 5.5x103 kg/m3.)

Consider the equation for acceleration due to gravity:

[tex]g=\frac{GM}{r^2}[/tex]

Consider also the equation relating mass, density, and size:

[tex]M=\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3 \rho[/tex]

Can you see a way to combine those equations to get a size, given acceleration and density?

Forget about the earth, it's a red herring, all you need to know is its acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s^2).
 
jakeowens said:
Each of the Apollo Lunar Modules was in a very low orbit around the Moon. Given a typical mass of 14.7 E 3 kg, assume an altitude of 64.0 km and determine the orbital period.

Consider Kepler's Third Law:

[tex]P^2=\frac{4\pi^2a^3}{GM}[/tex]

Hint: You don't need the mass of the module.
 
what does that p looking sign mean in your first post, is that density?
 
Alright i got the first problem now, thanks. Hadnt considered combining those 2 problems, going to work on the 2nd now :D
 
what do you mean i don't need the weight of the module? I'm having a hard time with this one. What values am i supposed to use for a? or M?
 
jakeowens said:
what do you mean i don't need the weight of the module? I'm having a hard time with this one. What values am i supposed to use for a? or M?

Kepler's Third Law relates the period of an orbiting body to the semimajor axis of its orbit and the mass of the body around which it orbits. In a circular orbit, the semimajor axis is just the radius of the orbit.
 

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