Explaining the Definition of Absolute Value

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The discussion revolves around the definition of absolute value, specifically how it applies to expressions like |x| and |x-7|. Participants are exploring the implications of the definition and its application to various examples.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the definition of absolute value and how it applies to different expressions. Questions are raised about the transformation of expressions like |x-7| and the implications of substituting values into the definition.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definition of absolute value, with some participants providing examples and suggesting that plugging in numbers may aid understanding. Others are questioning the clarity of the definitions and how they relate to specific cases.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the use of variables in the definition and examples, indicating a need for clearer distinctions between different instances of x and y in the context of absolute value.

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so if |x|=(x,if x>=0, and -x, if x<0)
then what would be like |x-7| be equal too and how do you do this i do not understand why |x|equals (x,if x>=0, and -x, if x<0) could you explain it to me?
 
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i do not understand why |x|equals (x,if x>=0, and -x, if x<0)
That's the definition of |x|. Try plugging in a few actual numbers to get more comfortable with it.

would be like |x-7| be equal too
If f(x) = (x-3)²+4, do you know how to get f(x-7)? Why can't you do the same thing with |x|?
 
Here are a couple examples.
|8+x| equals {8+x if 8+x>=0, -(8+x) if 8+x<0}
|x²-5| equals {x²-5 if x²-5>=0, -(x²-5) if x²-5<0}

Like Hurkyl said above, plugging in numbers will help your understanding.
 
Picture a number line.
|x-8| is the distance from "8", which you can write in terms of x, as done above.

Try it for |x-0| first.
 
so basically|x| means the answer is like always positive so therefor there will be a possibility of where the x is negative or -x and positvie just x right? so |x| is like F(x) rite? and if you sub x-7 for f(x) you would get like in order for x to be the positive value it would have to be greater than 7 there for x>=7 and -x would be -x<7?

did i get his right?
 
yourmom98 said:
so basically|x| means the answer is like always positive
Right, if you include 0 as a positive number. To avoid confusion about 0, you could also say that |x| is non-negative, which means |x| > 0.
so therefor there will be a possibility of where the x is negative or -x and positvie just x right? so |x| is like F(x) rite? and if you sub x-7 for f(x) you would get like in order for x to be the positive value it would have to be greater than 7 there for x>=7 and -x would be -x<7?
I don't really understand that. Perhaps x appearing both in the definition and your example is confusing - the two x's aren't being used in the same way. So let's just change (x - 7) to (y - 7). If you write |x| as f(x), |y - 7| would be f(y - 7); You're setting x = y - 7. Plug (y - 7) into your definition in place of x. It now says

|y - 7| = (y - 7) if (y - 7) > 0; -(y - 7) if (y - 7) < 0.

You already know that |y - 7| will be non-negative, remember. The definition tells you how to turn (y - 7) into a non-negative number.
Let y = 0. (0 - 7) = -7. Plug this into your definition:

|-7| = -7 if -7 > 0; -(-7) if -7 < 0.

-7 < 0. So what does the definition tell you? |-7| = -(-7) = 7.
Let y = 8. (8 - 7) = 1. Do the same thing.

|1| = 1 if 1 > 0; -(1) if 1 < 0.

1 > 0. So what does the definition tell you in this case? |1| = 1.
The definition tells you more than that. But do you understand this part?
The rule is pretty simple - you could say informally that if x is already non-negative, don't do anything to it; If x is negative, do what to it in order to make it non-negative?
 
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