Algebraic Simplification: Finding Unit Tangent and Normal Vectors

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The discussion revolves around algebraic simplification related to finding unit tangent and normal vectors in calculus. Participants are attempting to simplify expressions involving square roots and polynomial terms.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify expressions such as sqrt(4t^2 + 4 + 1/t^2) and sqrt(4t^2 + 25t^8), questioning if they can equal simpler forms. Other participants suggest testing values and reconsidering the algebraic steps taken.

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Participants are actively engaging with the algebraic expressions, with some providing guidance on testing values and questioning the validity of the original poster's simplifications. There is a recognition of the challenges faced in connecting earlier math knowledge to current calculus concepts.

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There is an acknowledgment of the foundational math knowledge required for calculus, with references to prior learning experiences and the complexity of the algebra involved in the current problem.

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well 'm finding the unit tangent bector and normal vector and then finding its curve, that's not bad but I'm hung up on some algebra..
I have sqrt(4t^2 + 4 + 1/t^2);
can that equal...
2t*2*1/t = 4?

Also...
sqrt(4t^2 + 25t^8)
Will that simpify too:
10t^5?
 
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Why don't you test them with a few values of t? (Try t = 1.)
 
Yeah that is so not working, so i know its wrong and yet I'm still stuck. Who said 8th grade math was required for calc III? :rolleyes:
 
Hopefully, you learned long ago that, in general, [itex]\sqrt{a^2+ b^2}\ne a+ b[/itex].
What is (2t+ 1/t)2? Do you see how that answers your question?

"Who said 8th grade math was required for calc III? "

Pretty much every teacher of 8th grade math or calc III!
 
I used to tell my calculus 1 students that everything they had ever learned in math, from kindergarten on, would show up sometime during the year, and anything they had learned imperfectly would grow teeth and bite them. No one ever accused me of exaggerating by the end of the year.
 
mr_coffee said:
well 'm finding the unit tangent bector and normal vector and then finding its curve, that's not bad but I'm hung up on some algebra..
I have sqrt(4t^2 + 4 + 1/t^2);
can that equal...
2t*2*1/t = 4?

Also...
sqrt(4t^2 + 25t^8)
Will that simpify too:
10t^5?

Try to square your answer :
[tex](2t * 2 *\frac{1}{t})^2[/tex]

And hopefully you'll see that it's not equal to what you originally had, which is written like:
[tex]\sqrt{4t^2 + 4 + \frac{1}{t^2}}[/tex]

Same for:
[tex]\sqrt{4t^2 + 25t^8}[/tex],
that will not equal
[tex]10t^5[/tex]
Can you tell us how you got that so at least one of our many brilliant helpers can assist you on your algebra, and hopefully overcoming your weakness.
 
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