Solving the Blackbody Problem for Main Sequence Stars

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The discussion revolves around the blackbody radiation and energy production in main sequence stars, specifically focusing on the fusion of protons into helium nuclei and the associated calculations for energy output. The original poster seeks assistance with a problem related to estimating the number of helium nuclei produced per second based on given parameters.

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  • Participants discuss the fusion process of protons into helium and question the completeness of the information provided, particularly the need for the star's surface temperature. There are mentions of different fusion cycles and the importance of equilibrium between energy generation and radiation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made in the original post and discussing relevant concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between energy production and radiation, as well as references to relevant cycles for helium production.

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There is a noted absence of the star's surface temperature, which some participants indicate is crucial for solving the problem. The original poster has provided the radius of the star but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations.

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Hi, I am having trouble with the last question in my assignment. It's on blackbody radiation and total power per area and whatnot. those questions i was able to do fine, however when i came to this problem i was a little lost..

here it goes, i'll type the whole thing out..

"The most important energy source in so called main sequence stars is fusion of four protons into He nuclei.
A star has a radius r
How many he nuclei does the star produce per second if He production is the dominant energy source?
Use the Q value for the conversion 4H ->He to estimate the amount of raditation energy generated by hydrogen burning, and assume that the radiation energy output per second corresponds to the energy generated by hydrogen burning in a second."

any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks

-Neil
 
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Sneil said:
"The most important energy source in so called main sequence stars is fusion of four protons into He nuclei.
A star has a radius r
How many he nuclei does the star produce per second if He production is the dominant energy source?
Use the Q value for the conversion 4H ->He to estimate the amount of raditation energy generated by hydrogen burning, and assume that the radiation energy output per second corresponds to the energy generated by hydrogen burning in a second."
Where did you get this problem? First of all, how do 4 protons fuse to become one He nucleus? Shouldn't it be 2 deuterons fuse to become a He nucleus?

You appear to be missing an essential piece of information: the surface temperature of the star. Without that, it is not possible to answer the question.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Where did you get this problem? First of all, how do 4 protons fuse to become one He nucleus? Shouldn't it be 2 deuterons fuse to become a He nucleus?

You appear to be missing an essential piece of information: the surface temperature of the star. Without that, it is not possible to answer the question.

AM
Sure that's possible 4 H fuse to form 4He2 .
through Carbon Nitrigen Oxygen cycle
Well I can't remeber whole thing but you can find it in any textbook.
Also a minimum temperature is required at core for this process ro take place
But surface temperature would be much lesser
 
sorry, i calculated surface temp to be 4990k

the question says turns to He (of atomic mass # 4)


i was just hoping for a formula i would be able to work with as i don't kow where to begin, but ill give the radius too if you want all the info. r=7.02*10^8 m

anyone able to help this early in the mourning? :redface:
thanks for the help, it is greatly apreciated :smile:

-Neil
 
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To be in equilibrium, the energy production in the star must equal the energy radiated, so

Egen = Erad.

Egen = Number of reactions * Qreaction.

and one should have a formula for blackbody radiation, the Stefan-Boltzmann law E = ([itex]\sigma T^4[/itex]) *A.

For He can be produced from 4 protons indirectly by the PP or CNO cycles.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/ppchain.html

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/cno.html

or more generally

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/index.html
 
thanks man, I am a little lost as to how i incorporate the radius, but ill figure it out :smile:

thanks
 
Surface area of a sphere, i.e. the star, of radius r is

A = 4[itex]\pi r^2[/itex].
 

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