What is the power of suggestion in the placebo effect?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the placebo effect, particularly in relation to the power of suggestion. Participants explore various anecdotes and examples that touch on the psychological aspects of perception and belief, though the focus seems to shift away from a strict analysis of the placebo effect itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the initial anecdote about the acid and water illustrates a misunderstanding of the placebo effect, proposing it might be more akin to self-hypnosis.
  • Others argue that if the liquid were sulfuric acid, the suggestion that it was water could be seen as a form of mind control, relating it to the placebo effect.
  • Anecdotes about personal experiences with food and flavor perceptions are shared, highlighting how knowledge of what one is consuming can influence physical reactions, though these examples do not directly address the placebo effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the examples provided in relation to the placebo effect, with some viewing the anecdotes as relevant and others contesting their applicability.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of the placebo effect and related psychological phenomena, but these assumptions remain unresolved and are not universally accepted among participants.

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I was in the lab yesterday testing some soil samples when I had this exchange with another student:
"I spilled some of that acid on myself a minute ago, and it's kinda starting to burn now." he says, pointing to a bottle on the desk next to him.
"That's water." says I.
"oh..."

:biggrin:
 
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Does he speak strange languages, lift incredibly heavy weights? Does he have mysterious symbols or words on his skin? Does he swear a lot and he is lustful towards inappropriate or reluctant partners? Does he listen to Ozzy Osbourne music?

He could be possessed by the Devil, which would explain the burning sensation he felt when exposed to water.
 
That's not really an example of the placebo effect:

Placebo effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Address:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo_effect

which involves a cure or allieviation of symptoms. I think it might just be an example of self-hypnosis, but something tells me there's a better term.
 
zoobyshoe said:
That's not really an example of the placebo effect:
Well, if you consider the fact that the liquid was sulfuric acid, matthyaouw's suggestion that it was only water would be an example of mind control equal to a placebo effect. :biggrin:
 
Evo said:
Well, if you consider the fact that the liquid was sulfuric acid, matthyaouw's suggestion that it was only water would be an example of mind control equal to a placebo effect. :biggrin:
Yes, he is clearly some sort of Shao Lin monk.
 
this reminds me of one time, where someone offered me a pretzel. I ate it, sort of liked it, and asked what flavor it was. they said mustard and I started gagging

(I h8 mustard)
 
^
It's the funniest thing when that happens. My mother once had a cow-tongue burrito and loved it, thought it was the greatest burrito she'd ever eaten. As soon as she found out what it was, she nearly retroactively vomited.
 
yomamma said:
this reminds me of one time, where someone offered me a pretzel. I ate it, sort of liked it, and asked what flavor it was. they said mustard and I started gagging

(I h8 mustard)
Ahh, so George Bush isn't the only one.
 

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