Windmill in Space: Solar Wind Power Output Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the feasibility and energy output of a space-based windmill driven by solar wind compared to traditional solar panels. It addresses theoretical and practical considerations, including the mechanics of operation in space and energy efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the need to keep the windmill stationary in space, with one suggesting that gravity could help maintain its position in orbit.
  • Others argue that the solar wind would exert a force pushing the windmill away from the sun, complicating its stability and energy generation.
  • One participant proposes that if the windmill were placed in a specific orbit with a slower than required orbital velocity, gravity could balance the outward force from the solar wind.
  • There is a suggestion that using magnetically trapped gas clouds to capture solar wind particles could be more efficient than a traditional windmill design.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy output of a solar wind-driven device compared to solar panels, with some asserting that it would likely produce less energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of a solar wind-driven windmill, with no consensus on its feasibility or energy efficiency compared to solar panels. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to stabilize such a device in space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for further clarification on the mechanics of operation in space, the role of gravity, and the potential energy output compared to solar panels. There are unresolved assumptions about the effectiveness of proposed designs and their operational challenges.

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How fast could a space based windmill turn when driven by the solar wind?

Would such a device produce more or less energy than a solar panel of the same cost?
 
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Less. You'd need to use fuel to keep it stationary.
 
Originally posted by enigma
You'd need to use fuel to keep it stationary.
Why would you need to keep it stationary?
 
Greetings !
Originally posted by turin
Why would you need to keep it stationary?
A normal windmill is turned by an air stream but it
is also pushed by the airstream. If you want to do the
same in space (very ineffective in most cases, btw)
then there'll be nothing to keep this "sunmill" in place. :wink:

Live long and prosper.
 
Originally posted by drag
Greetings !

A normal windmill is turned by an air stream but it
is also pushed by the airstream. If you want to do the
same in space (very ineffective in most cases, btw)
then there'll be nothing to keep this "sunmill" in place. :wink:
That still doesn't answer my question.
 
If you don't keep it at a stationary distance from the sun (sorry... probably should have quantified that), it will just soar out of the solar system and you will need to build another one.
 
Couldn't you just put it in orbit and let gravity take care of that little problem?
 
Not if the sun is pushing it away.

Gravity will keep an object in a set orbit. If you could possibly gather enough energy from the solar wind to be competitive with photoarrays, the wind would be providing a very large force pushing the "windmill" away. Gravity gets weaker the further out you go, so unless you actively push yourself back, you'll get pushed all the way out after a while.
 
Originally posted by enigma
... to be competitive with photoarrays, ...
Good point; I lost track of the original question.
 
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Originally posted by enigma
Less. You'd need to use fuel to keep it stationary.

Lets nail it to the moon.
 
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Greetings !
Originally posted by turin
Couldn't you just put it in orbit and let gravity take care of that little problem?
Actually that would work. If you put it in an
orbit with a slower than required orbital velocity,
around the sun, then the force acting to push
it away will be balanced by gravity. Of course,
you'll either have to put it very close to the
sun or have a poor power generation capability
(which is probably gon'na be the case anyway).

It could, perhaps, be possible to build some kind
of a solar-wind-mill using magneticly trapped huge
clouds of gas which will capture solar-wing particles
(like the M2P2 propulsion technology principle).
But then, containing the gas may be a problem,
yet it should still be more efficient than just
a normal sunlight-mill.

Live long and prosper.
 

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