Today's Fashions or the Lack Thereof

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the current state of women's and men's fashion, exploring preferences for styles, customer service experiences in retail, and the decline of small clothing shops. Participants express nostalgia for past fashion trends and concerns about the quality and fit of contemporary clothing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for the return of Giorgio Sant' Angelo's classic styles, noting that current fits do not meet their preferences, especially for women over 40.
  • Concerns are raised about the prevalence of low-slung pants and the lack of vibrant colors in current fashion offerings, with a preference for pastels and bright colors.
  • Participants discuss negative experiences with customer service in department stores, contrasting it with positive experiences in smaller, specialized shops.
  • There is a sentiment that many shoppers are turning to thrift stores due to dissatisfaction with current fashion trends and quality.
  • Another participant mentions a personal strategy of avoiding fashion trends and focusing on classic black and white outfits with colorful accessories.
  • One participant notes the decline of small women's shops, highlighting the convenience and personalized service they provided compared to larger department stores.
  • Concerns about the quality of clothing made outside the U.S. are mentioned, with a specific example of a sweater that pilled quickly compared to an older, domestically made item.
  • Another participant shares their experience of not purchasing clothing other than basics for an extended period, indicating a shift in shopping habits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general dissatisfaction with current fashion trends and customer service, but there is no consensus on specific solutions or preferences. Multiple competing views on shopping habits and fashion choices are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference personal experiences and preferences, which may not reflect broader trends or data. The discussion includes subjective opinions about fashion quality and customer service without definitive conclusions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in fashion history, retail experiences, and consumer preferences in clothing may find this discussion relevant.

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Bring back Giorgio Sant' Angelo. At least he designed classic styles that more mature women liked and the fit is always nice. I still have some Giorgio Sant' Angelo slacks but they're beginning to wear out. I really like the cut. Nothing seems to fit as well as it did back in the 80's. Drop the low-slung pants. Women over 40 don't want them. Cherokee used to have some real nice jeans but that company has fallen by the wayside also. Jantzen used to have a nice sportswear line. I bought some beautiful blouses with embroidery and they always fit like they were made for me but Jantzen dropped the sportswear line and they're concentrating on their swimwear. Are a lot of people browsing at Goodwill stores now simply because they just don't like what the designers are expecting the women of America to choke down? I have trouble finding colors I like. I like pastels and bright, vibrant colors. Who wants to wear diarrhea yellow? There seems to be a lot of drab colors out there. And forget the spandex already. Customer service merits a thread of its own. Won't you agree? I've asked a salesperson where to find something and he or she waves in the general direction of where you're supposed to go instead of taking you over there. If you ask if they have more stock of a particular item, they say something to the effect, "We get whatever they send us." Don't they have buyers anymore? Someone, somewhere, must have a say about what the store is carrying. Don't the buyers listen to the customers so that they'll know what the customers like or want? Come on--get real here.

Dressing Rooms Barred

I went shopping with my mother one day and it was about 45 minutes before closing. My mother found something that she wanted to try on. As she approached the dressing room, she noticed that the door that went into the dressing rooms was locked. My mother asked the salesperson in a very polite manner if she would unlock it. The woman said in a whiney voice, "Well, I'll have to unlock it" as it were a tremendous effort for her to do so. That's what I mean when I say there's no such thing as customer service. My mother used to shop at a lovely women's shop in the 40's and 50's and the sales lady couldn't do enough to please everyone and they did alterations right there. They employed their own seamstress. The sales lady would say, "Well, all this needs is a little tuck here and a little tuck there and it will fit just right." God bless that woman. May she forever be etched in everyone's memory.

Depressing to Go Shopping

A woman has to psyche herself up to go shoppiing these days anyway. It's difficult to find pretty prints and colors. My mother was telling me about the nice women's shop where her mother bought all her clothes to go on her senior class trip to Washington D.C. Why there was hardly anything in that little shop that a woman wouldn't want. Clothes were so much prettier back then. They had such beautiful sweaters, dresses, hats, everything. Remember Doris Day in Pillow Talk? She had so many changes of clothes in that movie. She was a class act. When my mother's class stopped over in New York City, my mother said that every girl in her class looked as good as anyone on the streets of New York City (and this was just a small town women's shop). They had everything she needed.

No Respect for Merchandise

I've also noticed that customers can often be very rude. I've been in the dressing rooms in Filene's and I often see things thrown all over the floor (it looks like a teenager's bedroom or something). I don't see anything wrong with leaving them on the hooks or folded on a bench or chair. The salespeople are responsible for putting them back anyway and they're more likely to put them back in the proper place although I usually do that myself unless I'm in a hurry. Some people have no respect. Rodney Dangerfield should give them a piece of his mind.

Made in America

I bought a fine gauge cotton sweater from Land's End. It was red and I finally had to discard it because I wore it out. It was a bright red and I've always liked the color red because of my coloring. I have very dark hair and brown eyes and it just seems to go with my coloring. I washed this sweater hundreds of times so naturally it's going to wear out eventually. So I ordered another sweater and I noticed that it started to pill before I even washed it. I looked at the old sweater and in spite of hundreds of washings, it hadn't pilled at all. I discovered a very simple explanation when I looked at the label on the old sweater. It said "Made in U.S." (ain't that a mouthful)? The new sweater, however, did not. I can't remember the name of the country but it was some country where they can have their sweaters made inexpensively no doubt. I called Land's End and told them about it and expressed my thoughts as to why it had already started to pill. They were willing to refund my money but I needed a red sweater so I decided to keep it anyway. I imagine they must have used a cheaper fabric.

Small Women's Shops

It seems that small women's shops are becoming a thing of the past. My mother used to purchase most of her clothes at a small shop not far from her home. She used to stop by on the day that she went grocery shopping. She found almost everything she needed at this little shop (slacks, jerseys, blouses, sweaters, nightgowns, underwear) and she didn't have to spend a lot of time looking because of the small size of the shop. The sales person was very helpful and would tell her what items had just come in and that saved my mother from having to look at everything as she had already seen most of the clothes from previous shopping trips. Older women, in particular, don't always like to traipse through a large department store or a shopping mall. It's more difficult to find things as they're scattered all over the store and they're often separated by clothing lines such as Liz Claiborne, Jones New York, etc. It makes your head swim darting from one area to the next and your efforts seem fruitless with all the merchandise that you have to rummage through. My mother doesn't like the prospect of having to travel over 50 miles to the Maine Mall in South Portland just to buy a pair of socks. Some of the closer stores where she used to shop in Brunswick and Auburn have also closed. She doesn't like the clothes at Wal-Mart. She occasionally finds a few things at Sears but not very often. She likes good quality clothes (not terribly expensive) but well made and attractive to the eye.
 
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I agree. It's so hard to find good men's shirts now a days.

How I long for the days of real fashion.

Cool Men's shirts

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/bb3.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/nst16.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/nst7.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/grnpin.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/jsflmp.html
 
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I only buy from thrift stores these days...
 
I haven't bought an article of clothing other than socks or boxers in over five years. I haven't grown, and I come across free ones often enough.
 
There are a lot of penguin shirts in that sample, Bob. Do you have a secret thing for dduardo?
 
I tend to wear a lot of black and white with dashes of bright colored accessories. I never buy fashion trends, nor am I stuck with any particular designer.
I find if you shop at stores where the staff is paid on commission, you get great service. I also tend to avoid the mall.
 
You get lousy customer service in the department stores, but if you go into the smaller stores that sell only women's clothing, the salespeople there are great. They unobtrusive if you don't want them bugging you, but when they see you laden with an armful of clothes, they'll offer to take it for you and start a dressing room for you, and as you pick up more stuff, they just keep adding it (I have to try everything in at least 3 sizes to find anything that might fit, so will take 20 things to the dressing room and buy one...I'm sure that's not what the salesperson was hoping for when she spotted me with the huge armful of clothes :biggrin:) While you're trying stuff on, they'll pop by and ask if you need anything in a different size or color. But it's the spendier places that are like this, not the cheap department stores where they only let you in with 6 items at a time and carry jailer's keys for all the doors, then disappear just before you're ready to try stuff on.
 
BobG said:
I agree. It's so hard to find good men's shirts now a days.

How I long for the days of real fashion.

Cool Men's shirts

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/bb3.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/nst16.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/nst7.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/grnpin.html

http://www.daddyos.com/retro/jsflmp.html
Oh BobG. :!) :!) :!) You hunka hunk of burning love! :!) Will you model these for me? :!)
 
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I like to wear scrubs. Its actually pretty cool to just flip it over and keep wearing it for another day or two :biggrin:

yea bring those "ewww" posts out!
 
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See what happens when you cross over vector potential of fashion with magnetic monopoles of Physicsforums? You get no response! RIP, Thread.
 

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