Solving Laplace Operator Integral with Partial Integration

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The discussion revolves around the application of partial integration in the context of the Laplace operator and integrals in electrodynamics. Participants are examining the equality of two integrals involving the Laplace operator and the potential function.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the steps involved in applying partial integration to the given integral identities. Some participants introduce identities related to divergence and surface integrals, while others question the conditions under which these integrals equal zero.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring the reasoning behind the surface integrals equating to zero. Some guidance has been provided regarding the assumptions about the behavior of the potential function at infinity, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the argument.

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There are assumptions regarding the fall-off behavior of the potential function at large distances, which are under discussion but not fully resolved.

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I have read in an electrodynamics book that
[tex] \int d^3r \frac{\Delta\Phi(r)}{r}=\int d^3r \Phi(r)}\Delta \frac{1}{r}[/tex]
is possible through partial integration. But how?? Can some one help me on this by showing me the steps? Thanks
 
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Start with the following two identities:
[tex]\int d^3 r \nabla \cdot \left( \frac{1}{r} \nabla \Phi \right) = \int d^3 r \left( \nabla \frac{1}{r} \cdot \nabla \Phi + \frac{1}{r} \Delta \Phi \right)[/tex]

[tex]\int d^3 r \nabla \cdot \left( \Phi \nabla \frac{1}{r} \right) = \int d^3 r \left( \nabla \frac{1}{r} \cdot \nabla \Phi + \Phi \Delta \frac{1}{r}\right)[/tex]

Now the left hand side of each equation can written as a surface integral which gives zero. This gives
[tex] \int d^3 r \left( \nabla \frac{1}{r} \cdot \nabla \Phi + \frac{1}{r} \Delta \Phi \right) = 0 [/tex]
[tex] \int d^3 r \left( \nabla \frac{1}{r} \cdot \nabla \Phi + \Phi \Delta \frac{1}{r} \right) = 0 [/tex]
but since these two expressions have the same first term you can easily see that
[tex] \int d^3 r \frac{1}{r} \Delta \Phi = \int d^3 r \Phi \Delta \frac{1}{r} [/tex]
 
Thanks for your reply. Just one thing I am not able to see yet. How are these equal to zero?
[tex] \int d^3 r \nabla \cdot \left( \frac{1}{r} \nabla \Phi \right)=\oint dA \frac{1}{r} \nabla \Phi=0?[/tex]
[tex] \int d^3 r \nabla \cdot \left( \Phi \nabla \frac{1}{r} \right)=\oint dA \Phi \nabla \frac{1}{r}=0?[/tex]
 
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You integrate on a surface at infinity, and with very weak assumptions about the fall off of [tex]\Phi[/tex] with distance, you can show those area integrals go to zero.
 
That's clever. Thanks!
 

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