How Much Ballast Must Be Thrown to Give a Balloon Upward Acceleration?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a research balloon that is descending and requires the calculation of ballast needed to achieve upward acceleration. The subject area includes concepts of buoyancy, forces, and acceleration in the context of fluid dynamics and mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a formula for the amount of ballast needed but expresses uncertainty about its correctness. Some participants question the reasoning behind the original poster's solution and suggest using Archimedes' principle to determine the lift force. Others inquire about the interpretation of force readings on a spring scale in different scenarios.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problems presented. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of buoyancy principles, but there is no explicit consensus on the solutions or methods to be used.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the buoyant force and the density of the gas in the balloon, as well as the implications of forces acting on the spring scale in the second problem. There is an acknowledgment of potential missing information that could affect the analysis.

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A research balloon of total mass M is descending vertically with download acceleration a. How much ballast must be thrown from the car to give the balloon an upward acceleration a, assuming that the upward lift of the air on the balloon does not change?

I get m = (2aM)/(g+a), where g is Earth's gravity, M mass of balloon, and m mass of ballast. It doesn't sound right though.. Can someone please help me with this?

Ok, and as for the other... (very simple)

Two 10-lb weights are attached to a spring scale on opposite sides of each other. What is the reading of the scale? Should it be 10 lbs? Also, what if a single 10-lb weight is attached to a spring scale attached to a wall? Should the scale still be 10 lbs due to equal and opposite forces? Thanks!
 
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Why does your solution of the first problem not "sound right?"
 
you must use the archimede's equation for the balloon to find out the lift force of the air effect on the balloon. and then use the gravity equation to find the weight of the balloon.and you must know the density of the gas you ut into the balloon.

for the second one: i am actually don't know what is the "reading" means. but i think if you mention about the force when two weights attached to the spring i think there are no force effect between them.but if it is mention about the middle weight i think in real you can not have the "reading of the scale" .for the "what if" question i can say yes ! if this is a single system-no have anyforce except the force between the objcts in the system. see you!
 
Since the buoyant force does not change when dropping ballast he does not need explicitly to calculate it.
 
Could somebody explain the balloon problem?

Thanks
 

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