Why Dragster Tires Slip: Understanding the Role of Friction and Clorox in Racing

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of dragster tires, specifically addressing why they are allowed to slip during races and the role of friction and Clorox in enhancing performance. The scope includes theoretical aspects of friction, practical applications in racing, and the effects of tire temperature on grip.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the friction of rubber is ideally a nonlinear function at specific temperature ranges, which may influence tire performance.
  • Others argue that tires need to reach a certain temperature to become "sticky" and provide optimal traction.
  • One participant emphasizes that during a race, the goal is to minimize tire slip, noting that excessive wheelspin results in lost time.
  • It is mentioned that while burnouts are performed to heat the tires, some slip is necessary to generate forces during the race.
  • A participant points out that the concept of friction commonly taught in physics may not apply to rubber tires in the same way.
  • Another participant clarifies that the substance used on tires for warming up is water, not Clorox, and discusses the limitations of positraction in controlling tire slip.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of tire slip and the effectiveness of positraction, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of rubber under different conditions and the definitions of terms like "bleaching" and "slip," which may not be universally understood.

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Why are a dragster's tires allowed to slip, rather than obey positraction? Is it that friction of rubber is idealy a nonlinear function in this particular range of temperature, or that the Clorox applied needs to be evenly distributed and incorporated for coherence? (Maybe to avoid starting out with a wheelie?)
 
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In order to get really sticky, the tires need to reach a certain temperature.
 
In a race, the idea is for them NOT to slip. If you start wheelspinning, you've lost!
As Krab says, the burn out at the start is to get the tyres to their (very hot) operating temperature.

Incidentally, the 6000bhp 'top fuel' cars do the 1/4 mile in around 4.5 seconds with a terminal speed of over 320 mph! Awesome!
 
The big wheelspin before staging is to warm up the tires. There is still a little bit of slip during the race though. Smoky burnouts don't give any traction, but all tires must slip a little to generate forces. The simple type of friction taught in most physics classes doesn't apply to rubber at all.
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Why are a dragster's tires allowed to slip, rather than obey positraction? Is it that friction of rubber is idealy a nonlinear function in this particular range of temperature, or that the Clorox applied needs to be evenly distributed and incorporated for coherence? (Maybe to avoid starting out with a wheelie?)
As a scientific person I am rather certain you will understand that 'Bleaching' is actually a process, not a substance, (in this use of the term) as the stuff they put on the tire, for the warming up the tires, by 'burnout', is water.

As for the 'slip' of the tires, the positraction simply ensures the energy transfer to the tire with the most traction, but can do nothing to stop either of the tires from slipping, as it has no 'control effect' upon the amount of torque being exerted.
 

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