" Kill! Kill! Kill!"

Bilal

May be this is the fuel of Iraqi resistance?

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http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...rticle09.shtml

((A former US Marine has urged the Iraqi people and Muslims around the globe to forgive the US "war crimes" in Iraq, and said that the Bush administration has sunk deeper into the Iraqi quagmire and will lose the war at the end of the day.))

Massey, A former US Marine , who is currently on a visit to Paris to mark the publishing of his first book " Kill! Kill! Kill!", said there is widespread discontent in the United States at the policies of the Bush Massey's book was published by a French publishing house after it had been apparently rejected by American publishers.

((He said he himself had Iraqi blood on his hands, when he killed innocent Iraqis at the start of the US invasion of the Arab country.))

((The demonstrators were civilian people, however, a US commander ordered his unit soldiers to open fire at the crowd, killing a number of protesters in cold blood.

He said some of the victims were shot directly in the head, citing a CIA memo that brainwashed servicemen in Iraq into thinking that al Iraqis were potential terrorists.))

((In his book, Massey writes that at one point he told an officer that the US military campaign "resembles a genocide" and that "our only objective in Iraq is petrol and profits."))

((British medical weekly, Lancet, said last year that over 100,000 Iraqi civilians -- half of whom women and children -- have lost their lives since the US-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Late last year, the International Committee for Red Cross (ICRC), the guardian of the Geneva Conventions governing conduct in warfare, lambasted "utter contempt" for humanity in US-occupied Iraq.))

russ_watters

A US Marine who calls "gas" "petrol"? Sounds fishy.

deckart

LOL Good eye.

Pengwuino

Gokul43201

From an interview with Massey : (another thing that sounds fishy)

http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinio...10241546c.html

Huh ?

Edit : Just decided to make sure that an ICBM is NOT also an abbreviation for some kind of cluster bomb. So, I Googled " ICBM cluster bomb" and found this :

http://www.bump.net/2004/05/isnt-icb...ballistic.html

An error ?

Pengwuino

An error???? That's a lie

If that is an actual quote of what he said, then he lied or the guy was writing down the interview and maybe misheard or misinterpretted something the guy said. That is highly unlikely however... you'd think that recordings would be much more convenient these days....

If you really wanted to know... you should probably email Globalsecurity.org. They are pretty much one of the top military sites on the internet. Theres GBMs.... i THINK that is the classification a series of bombs that do include cluster bombs... thats somewhat close and KINDA sounds like ICBM... but when a GBM hits you... you're dead, thats it.

And really, any cluster bomb is going to kill you 7 ways to sunday. It's designed to absolutely obliterate a very large area (in Vietnam, cluster bombs were used to make helicopter landing zones!)

And is it just me or does that picture look photoshopped? I guess this may be what is fueling the iraqi resistance... lies

Hurkyl

Well, the link isn't working for me, but judging from the quotes you've posted Bilal...

Even if we ignore the problems mentioned by others, this could¹ only explain resistance against Americans, and says nothing about the violence against Shiites, and against representatives of other Muslim nations.

If you want to support the insurgency, fine, but please support what it is, not some silly idealization.

El Hombre Invisible

The "silly idealization" is the much more prevalent one that if you dare speak out against American attrocities in the Middle East then clearly you "support the insurgency".

Hurkyl

Interesting that you would shift to a different topic of discussion. Are you really trying to sidetrack this thread?

El Hombre Invisible

I assume that's a joke I don't get.

If it is not...

How does my post, referencing the attrocities (if true) mentioned in the first post constitute thread-hijacking, but yours based on a notion of your own introduction (that Bilal supports the insurgency, and that he idealises it) does not? And how is such a claim warranted in response to what is a question ("May be this is the fuel of Iraqi resistance?")? And what does border fighting and in-fighting have to do with 'resistance'?

Pengwuino

You do realize that this article is a hoax right....or a complete lie?

It's like someone publishing a report on a way to travel faster then light and starting off his report by going "Einstein postulated that E=mc^4; E of course denoting voltage".

Hurkyl

Because it attempts to shift the discussion to a different topic.

If you think I'm shifting the discussion to a different topic, call me on it. Hijacking the thread even more is just plain silly.

I read (possibly incorrectly) the opening question as rhetorical, that Bilal was suggesting that the things in the article are precisely why we have the insurgency. Since I can't see a clear link between the actions of Americans and, say, killing Muslim diplomats, I feel my assertion of an idealization is warranted.

loseyourname

I don't think that Islam Online is making this up. This guy is all over the place:

http://www.google.com/search?=jimmy+...north+carolina

This story is particularly interesting:

http://www.sfbayview.com/030905/amarine030905.shtml

I guess "Cowboys from Hell" became "Kill! Kill! Kill!" He was discharged for 'stress syndrome' after antidepressants didn't work on him:

He talks about cluster bombs here as well:

Then we get this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...peacenik_x.htm

Apparently, he used to be a recruiter. And this:

Apparently, he lied to Il Manifesto about being given antidepressants to cope with the horrors of war. He was depressed and on medication before going to war, and stopped taking the medication just before going over.

This also conflicts with the story he told Il Manifesto:

A year later when Il Manifesto interviews him, the civilian death toll rises from three to thirty and he neglects to mention that the car was speeding into a roadblock.

All in all, it definitely sounds like this guy is lying, and not the least bit mentally stable. Frankly, though, the Marine Corps should have caught this before he was ever deployed. This man should never have gone to war in the first place.

Edit: One more thing, though. If I could find all of this in ten minutes using google, don't you think the reporters who are publishing this crap could run a little check before accepting everything he says at face value?

Bilal

Actually it is my mistake to present non American source!!

Here are other sources for this story:

AP World News

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By JOELLE DIDERICH
Associated Press Writer))

(("We in fact, I feel, escalated the violence," he told The Associated Press in an interview.))

((Maj. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, said the Marines are committed to investigating all allegations of violations of "law of war or rules of engagement."

"Mr. Massey made allegations of genocide by members of his command, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines, resulting in an investigation," she said.

The investigation was completed in June 2004, "and these allegations were found to be unsubstantiated in regards to law or rules of engagement violations," Chapin said.

The French-language version of Massey's book went on sale in France this week.

Massey said he was not surprised by the reluctance of U.S. publishers. "The picture that I paint within the book is very difficult for a lot of Americans to grasp, and I understand that," he said.))

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...orld-headlines

Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006...k_051006180253


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/vet-n11.shtml

http://theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0747


http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=14714


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Pengwuino

Actually the fact that a French publisher released this makes me wonder even more about how credible he is. US publishers have released an incredible amount of books denouncing the US administration and things complaining about Iraq so you wonder why they wouldn't publish this. The french however, have at least 1 publisher that will print flat out lies (I say at least one because they did have massive publication of that book that said the WTC was demolished with demolition equipment so there is obviously someone there willing to publish books with no factual basis).

I highly suspect hes lieing. He's a med-case, he was there for only 3 months and at the beginning of the war... refused publication by US publishers... and that 'petrol' and 'icbm' and the changing death toll are really bad for his credibility. Also... I really can't imagine many times where multiple cluster bombs would kill only 3 people. it's like a nuclear weapon taking out 3 apartment buildings.

And balil... remember, just because someone has a lot of fan sites online doesn't mean its credible. Hell, astrology has a lot of websites....

Bilal

Do you believe that American soldiers care about the life of civilians in Iraq, especially on the check points?

Almost every Iraqi I met, including Kurds, christian and Shia believe that American do not care about the lives of civilians. They surprise how the Palestinian people can survive after decades of similar occupation.

Targeting civilians especially on checkpoints or those who have bad luck to drive near American military vehicles are daily accidents.

Iraq now is the worst place on the earth, and millions of Iraqi refugees trying to run away to Syria and Jordan. I was recently in Jordan and the prices of houses increases more than 4 times after the arrival of 1.5 million Iraqi (most of them rich people). Most of Iraqi Christian are in Damascus !! Thanks to American Baptists churches who wanted to use their churches for spreading Christianity and bibles in Iraq!

Those people who lost hope in their country are looking now for new countries to settle permanently, while poor people stay in Iraq to die by the ‘’terrorised’ American Marines, Zrakawi and militias.

This nation suffers more than enough, thanks to USA and UK who supported Saddam (their man!) in 80s and then they decided to destroy Iraq based on MDW and other lies.

Those who defend the barbarism of occupation are similar to some Muslims who tried to justify 11/9.

Pengwuino

I find it funny that you listen to people who are force fed propoganda against Americans (such as this article) about what US soldiers think.... yet don't ask the soldiers themselves.

I also find it odd that the washington post only reports 700,000 refugees... and mostly rich of course.. guess we know who was REALLY profiting off the Saddam's murders.

And yes, you are right, they are daily ACCIDENTS. Hell people die by the thousands on roadways over here but no one is saying the US is the worst place on earth to live.

Any other misinformation you would like to spread today?