How to evaluate the integral of dv/(1+(A/(mg))alpha*v) from [vo,v] = -gt?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the form dv/(1+(A/(mg))alpha*v) over the limits [vo,v] = -gt. The subject area includes integral calculus and the manipulation of algebraic expressions within integrals.

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  • Participants explore various integration techniques, including substitution and manipulation of the integrand. There are attempts to apply partial fractions and alternative substitutions, with some participants questioning the results and the presence of specific terms in the final expression.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different methods for integration and expressing confusion about the resulting expressions. Some guidance has been offered regarding integration techniques, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final form of the integral.

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Participants note difficulties with matching results to expected outcomes and question the validity of certain algebraic manipulations. There is mention of imposed limits and specific parameters (A, m, g, alpha) that may influence the integration process.

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Someone please tell me how to integrate dx/(1+e^x).

Thanks
 
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Since you have 1 + ex in the denominator, you would want something like d(ex) instead of dx. So let's try multiplying both numerator and denominator by ex.
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{1 + e ^ x} = \int \frac{e ^ x dx}{e ^ x(1 + e ^ x)} = \int \frac{d(e ^ x)}{e ^ x(1 + e ^ x)} = = \int \left( \frac{1}{e ^ x} - \frac{1}{e ^ x + 1} \right) d(e ^ x)[/tex].
Can you go from here?
Viet Dao,
 
Or: almost the same thing, let u= 1+ex. Then du= exdx so that dx= du/ex.
The integral is [tex]\int\frac{du}{e^x u}[/tex]
You still have ex in your integral but since u= 1+ ex
ex= u- 1:
The integral is [tex]\int\frac{du}{(u-1)u}[/tex] which can be done by "partial fractions" giving exactly what VietDao29 had.
 
You can do it in another way ..

Multiply the numerator and denominator by e-x

so ..

[tex]\int \frac { dx} { 1 + e^x} = -\int \frac { - e^ {-x} } { e^ {-x } +1 } \ dx[/tex]

Now .. the numerator is the derivative of the denominator , so you can integrate easily .
 
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I'm trying to evaluate int: dv/(1+(A/(mg))alpha*v) from [vo,v] = -gt

You should get [ v- ln(1 +(A/(mg))alpha*v)/alpha ] limits v and vo = -gt

I tried the partial fractions and it won't match the answer, that U - 1 will cancel with the 1 + a /mb alpha v etc.

you will get the ln over alpha but I have no idea where the V - in front of that comes from.

so your left with just a /mg alpha v which is not correct. the last method looked tempting but I would just end up with ln u which is even worse
 
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