Continuity of two-variable function

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The discussion revolves around understanding the continuity of two-variable functions, specifically focusing on the function f(x,y) = √(x² + y²). Participants are exploring the implications of continuous projections and the continuity of polynomial functions in the context of two-variable functions.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why the continuity of projections implies the continuity of the function x² + y². Some are exploring the properties of polynomials and the sum of continuous functions. Others are questioning the rigorous mathematical background behind these assertions.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the continuity of the function f(x,y) = √(x² + y²) at various points, with participants providing insights into limits and continuity in both Cartesian and polar coordinates. Some participants are suggesting that continuity in polar coordinates may simplify the analysis.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and conditions for continuity in two-variable functions, particularly in relation to limits and the behavior of functions as they approach specific points in their domain.

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Hi, I have some troubles understanding the basic facts about investigating the continuity of two-variable functions.
Our professor gave us very simple example to show us the basic facts:Very important is that projections are continuous, it means

[tex] \pi_1 :[x,y] \longmapsto x[/tex]

[tex] \pi_2 :[x,y] \longmapsto y[/tex]

are continuous.
Now let's have this function:

[tex] f(x,y) = \sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/tex]

It's continuous on the whole [itex]\mathbb{R}^2[/itex]. Why?

1. Step:
Projections are continuous

2. Step:

[tex] x,y \longmapsto x^2 + y^2[/tex]...continuous

3. Step:
Square root is continuous on [itex][0,\infty)[/itex]
What I don't fully understand is the second step. I can't see why, from the fact that projections are continuous, we can say that

[tex] x^2 + y^2[/tex]

is continous. Of course I didn't expect any other result, when you look at it it's obvious that it will be continuous, but I just can't see the rigorous mathematical background.

You know, I see it is some equivalent of the limit of product of single variable function (? is it the right expression ?), but I don't think it's sufficient. I would need some equivalent for two-variable functions...

Hope you understand my problem :)

Thank you very much.
 
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twoflower said:
What I don't fully understand is the second step. I can't see why, from the fact that projections are continuous, we can say that
[tex] x^2 + y^2[/tex]
is continous. Of course I didn't expect any other result, when you look at it it's obvious that it will be continuous, but I just can't see the rigorous mathematical background.
I'll give it a try, but I'm not a mathematician, so I might get it wrong ; feel free to correct me if that's the case.
Consider the function [tex]a \rightarrow a^2[/tex]. That's a polynomial and hence continuous.
Now, consider the first function:
[tex](x,y) \rightarrow x \rightarrow x^2[/tex]
This is a projection, followed by our squaring, so that's a continuous function from (x,y) to x^2.
Next, consider the second function:
[tex](x,y) \rightarrow y \rightarrow y^2[/tex]
This is also a projection, followed by squaring, so that's a continuous function too, from (x,y) to y^2.
The sum of two continuous functions, is continuous, so if we add our two functions, we have [tex](x,y) \rightarrow x^2 + y^2[/tex]
should be continous.
Did I sneak in something ?
 
twoflower said:
Hi, I have some troubles understanding the basic facts about investigating the continuity of two-variable functions.

Twoflower,

Let the point [itex]M_0 (x_0,y_0)[/itex] belong to the domain of the function [itex]f(x,y)[/itex]. Then the function [itex]z=f(x,y)[/itex] is continuous at the point [itex]M_0 (x_0,y_0)[/itex] if we have

[tex]\lim_{\substack{x\rightarrow x_0\\y\rightarrow y_0}} f(x,y) = f(x_0,y_0)[/tex]

and (x,y) approaches [itex]M_0 (x_0,y_0)[/itex] in arbitary fashion all the while remaining in the domain of the function.

Now if [itex]x=x_0 + \Delta x , y = y_0 + \Delta y[/itex] then the above condition can be rewritten as

[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} f(x_0 + \Delta x,y_0 + \Delta y) = f(x_0,y_0)[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} [f(x_0 + \Delta x,y_0 + \Delta y) - f(x_0,y_0)] = 0[/tex]

or
[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} \Delta z = 0[/tex]

So for [tex]z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/tex],
what is
[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} \Delta z[/tex] for any point in the domain?
 
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siddharth said:
Twoflower,

Let the point [itex]M_0 (x_0,y_0)[/itex] belong to the domain of the function [itex]f(x,y)[/itex]. Then the function [itex]z=f(x,y)[/itex] is continuous at the point [itex]M_0 (x_0,y_0)[/itex] if we have

[tex]\lim_{\substack{x\rightarrow x_0\\y\rightarrow y_0}} f(x,y) = f(x_0,y_0)[/tex]

and (x,y) approaches [itex]M_0 (x_0,y_0)[/itex] in arbitary fashion all the while remaining in the domain of the function.

Now if [itex]x=x_0 + \Delta x , y = y_0 + \Delta y[/itex] then the above condition can be rewritten as

[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} f(x_0 + \Delta x,y_0 + \Delta y) = f(x_0,y_0)[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} [f(x_0 + \Delta x,y_0 + \Delta y) - f(x_0,y_0)] = 0[/tex]

or
[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} \Delta z = 0[/tex]

So for [tex]z=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}[/tex],
what is
[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} \Delta z[/tex] for any point in the domain?

Doesn't get any easier than this.

It's very simliar, if not the same, as continuity for a single variable.
 
JasonRox said:
Doesn't get any easier than this.

It's very simliar, if not the same, as continuity for a single variable.
Actually, it does- put it in polar coordinates and it IS continuity for a single variable!

The point made earlier, by vanesch, is that you cannot be certain of getting the correct limit of
[tex]\lim_{\substack{\Delta{x}\rightarrow 0\\\Delta{y}\rightarrow 0}} \Delta z[/tex]

By simply taking [itex]\Delta y[/itex] going to zero and then taking [itex]\Delta x[/itex] going to 0. However, you can find the limit by seeing what happens when [itex](\Delta x, \Delta y)[/itex] is very close to (0,0). In polar coordinates that is measured by the single variable r. What do you get if you put this problem in polar coordinates?
 

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