Solving a Problem: Car Speed When Driver Slammed Brakes

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The problem involves determining the speed of a car at the moment the driver applied the brakes, based on the length of skid marks and the coefficient of friction on a rainy day. The context is within the subject area of kinematics and dynamics, particularly focusing on forces and motion during deceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the car, particularly the force of friction and the net force during deceleration. There is confusion regarding the role of an "applied" force, with some questioning its relevance in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and approaches. Some have provided insights into the relationship between friction and deceleration, while others are clarifying misconceptions about the forces involved. There is a recognition of the need to focus on the deceleration aspect rather than acceleration.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the forces acting on the car, particularly in the context of a deceleration scenario. The problem setup includes specific conditions such as the length of skid marks and the coefficient of friction, which are critical to the discussion but may not be fully utilized by all participants.

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I'm a bit confused as to how to finish this problem:
At an accident scene on a level road, inestigators measure a car's skid marks to be 88 m long. It was a rainy day and the coefficient of friction was estimated to be .42. Use these data to determine the speed of the car when the driver slammed on (and locked) the brakes.

OK, here's what I can get. Using F=ma, I know the net force is equal to the force of friction minus the applied force. And so we get F(friction)-F(applied)=ma. We also know that F(friction)=
mu(kinetic)F(normal). And the normal force is equal to mg. And so the force of friction is mu(kinetic)mg. So, mu(kinetic)mg-force(applied)=ma. Now, the applied force can be rewritten as ma(applied). Now the mass can be canceled out of each term, and the result is: mu(kinetic)g-a(applied)=a. This is where I get stuck. I can't seem to figure out how to determine the applied acceleration. Once I get that, then using v(final)^2=v(initial)^2+2a(delta x), I can find the initial velocity. I would appreciate any help on this problem. Thanks.
 
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Well, here's how I solved the problem:

The force of friction = μR

R = mg

So,

Friction = μmg

When the car's brakes are applied, the force causing the deceleration is equal to the force of friction, is it not?

Therefore

ma = μmg

And

a = μg

Then just use v^2 = u^2 + 2as, like you said.
 
Originally posted by kbrowne29

OK, here's what I can get. Using F=ma, I know the net force is equal to the force of friction minus the applied force.
What "applied" force? The only horizontal force on the car is the friction of the road!
 


Originally posted by Doc Al
What "applied" force? The only horizontal force on the car is the friction of the road!

That's exactly where I was going wrong. For some reason, I kept solving the problem as if the car were accelerating, not decelerating.
Thank you both for your help.
 

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