Binomial Expansion: Calculating Constants \alpha and \beta

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The discussion revolves around the binomial expansion and its application in calculating the constants \(\alpha\) and \(\beta\) related to the propagation coefficient of TEM waves in transmission lines. Participants explore the derivation and approximation methods for these constants.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in following the derivation for the approximate values of \(\alpha\) and \(\beta\) using binomial expansion.
  • Another participant suggests squaring both sides of the equation to solve for \(\alpha\) and \(\beta\) algebraically.
  • A participant acknowledges that squaring the equation can help express one constant in terms of the other but notes the challenge in separating the variables.
  • A later reply indicates that a participant has successfully solved for \(\alpha\) and \(\beta\) simultaneously using algebra and seeks further information on the approximation method.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best method for deriving the constants, with some advocating for algebraic manipulation while others focus on the binomial approximation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective approach.

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Participants mention challenges related to separating variables and the dependence on the binomial approximation method, but these issues remain unresolved.

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Hello, another dull question on binomial expansion (approximation). I cannot follow the derivation for the approximate values of the two constants [tex]\alpha[/tex] and [tex]\beta[/tex].

(Text on propagation coefficient of TEM waves in transmission lines - constants of attenuation and phase-shift)

Given
[tex]\gamma = \alpha + j\beta = \sqrt{(R + j\omega L)(G + j\omega C)}[/tex]

Through "binomial expansion", taking the expansion to the third term.

[tex]\alpha \approx \frac{1}{2} (R\sqrt{\frac{C}{L}} + G\sqrt{\frac{L}{C}})[/tex]

[tex]\beta \approx \omega\sqrt{LC}(1 + \frac{1}{8\omega^2}(\frac{R}{L} - \frac{G}{C})^2)[/tex]

I know this is a messy one, so just a clue on what this is about would be great =D
 
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If i were you, i'd square both members of the equality and solve it algebraically.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
If i were you, i'd square both members of the equality and solve it algebraically.
Daniel.

Yes, I've tried that on one occasion. It works if you want to express either alpha or beta in terms of the other. If you know either, then the problem becomes quite easily solvable. Apparently you aren't able to separate the variables. For example, from squaring both sides and equivalating the real portion, you would get.

[tex]\alpha = \sqrt{\frac{\alpha^2 + \beta^2 + (RG - \omega^2 LC)}{2}}[/tex]
 
Update: I've been able to solve for alpha and beta simultaneously using algebra. I'll be verifying them with the binomial approximation. In anycase, I'd still appreciate information on the approximation method. Thanks.
 

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