How can I solve the sum of this series without differentiation?

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of a series involving terms of the form \( nr^n \), specifically \(\sum_{n=0}^{n-1} nr^n\). Participants are exploring various methods to approach this problem without using differentiation.

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  • Participants are considering relationships to known series, such as the geometric series, and questioning how to manipulate the terms to facilitate summation. There is also discussion about the implications of the index notation used in the series.

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Some participants have suggested differentiating a geometric series as a potential approach, while others are exploring the possibility of rewriting the series as a double sum or as a sum of geometric series of varying lengths. There is a recognition of the challenge posed by the extra multiplication by \( k \) in the series.

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There is mention of the participant's uncertainty regarding the appropriateness of differentiation in a pre-calculus context, indicating a potential constraint in their approach. The original poster has expressed difficulty in finding a direction for the solution.

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Hi,
I've come across this series and I'm not sure in which direction I should be looking to get an equation for the sum. I've tried some simple methods but have come up blank.
[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 0}^{n - 1} {nr^n }[/tex]
Can anyone give me a nudge in the right direction?
 
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Does it look like another series you know? Can you find some way to relate the two?

BTW: Your index is n, but you are summing to n-1. So n is doing double duty. I suppose you mean:
[tex]\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}kr^k[/tex]
 
Perhaps the geometric series?
 
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I can't see how to relate the two.
The extra multiplication by k is making it difficult.
 
Okay, here's where my ignorance about the contents of a pre-calculus class may come into play, but...the terms in the geometric series have [itex]r^k[/itex]. Is there anything, some operation, you can do to each of the [itex]r^k[/itex] terms to make it look like more or less [itex]kr^k[/itex]?
 
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
I could differentiate perhaps?
I'm not sure what operations I can use within the summation.
 
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I could differentiate perhaps?
That's a good idea!
What'd you get if you differentiate a geometric sum?
 
Well, I worked it out from there.
I just wasn't expecting to get any differentiation in pre-calc.
Thanks for the help :smile:
 
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You can do it without differentiation if you like. Write it as a double sum and swap order of summation. You could also think of this as writing it as a sum of geometric series (all of different lengths).
 

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