What is the Formation Constant of Iron(III) Thiocyanate?

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The discussion revolves around the formation constant for the reaction involving iron(III) thiocyanate, specifically the equilibrium between Fe3+, HSCN, H+, and FeSCN2+. Participants are exploring the values of the formation constants and their implications for a lab report, including the effects of pH on the equilibrium.

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  • One participant inquires about the formation constant for the reaction Fe3+ + HSCN <--> H+ + FeSCN2+, indicating a need for this information for a lab writeup.
  • Another participant provides a list of six formation constants, detailing their logarithmic values and the overall expressions for each constant.
  • A third participant shares their experience with a lab report, noting discrepancies between the equilibrium expressions provided by their lab manual and professor, and discusses the conditions under which the reaction was performed.
  • One participant questions the role of H+ in the equilibrium, referencing conflicting information from a website and seeking clarification on its significance.

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Participants express differing views on the role of H+ in the equilibrium, with some suggesting it has no effect while others find this counterintuitive. The discussion does not reach a consensus on this point.

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Participants mention various assumptions regarding the presence of ions in solution and the effects of pH, which may influence the equilibrium but are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Students and educators involved in chemistry, particularly those studying complex formation and equilibrium in acid-base reactions.

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Hello,

Does anyone know the formation constant for the reaction
Fe3+ + HSCN <--> H+ + FeSCN2+

I've looked through my textbook with no luck, and I have been googling for a while. I'm writing a lab writeup right now, and I need it to compare my values to the accepted values.

Thanks.
 
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Six constants, as there are six steps of complex formation:

log K1 = 3.02
log K2 = 4.64
log K3 = 5.0
log K4 = 6.3
log K5 = 6.2
log K6 = 6.1

(these are overall constants, like:

K5 = [Fe(SCN)5(2-)]/([Fe(3+)][SCN-]^5)

and so on)
 
H

I guess this lab is pretty common for freshman chem. I had the report for this due last week. My lab manual gave the expression [H+][FeSCN2+]/[Fe3+][HSCN] but my professor gave the other one(without H).

The reaction was carried out in a .5M nitric acid solution to prevent this reaction:Fe3+(aq) + 3OH-(aq) --> Fe(OH)3. You don't have SCN- ions in solution b/c of the large amount of H+ and the small amount of HSCN. (HSCN <-->H+ + SCN-, shifted to the left by addition of H+) You have Fe3+ in solution, not Fe(NO3)3 b/c that compound dissociates to a large degree but HSCN is a weak acid.

I think my thoughts here make sense. I guess I'll find out when I get my grade.

PS Nice to see someone from Poland, Borek.:smile: Both of my parents are from Poland and I can speak Polish fluently.
 
On one website, it said that the H+ makes no difference in the equilibrium..but that doesn't make much sense. Someone please explain. Thanks.
 

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