Does the function have total differential in [0,0]?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the function f defined as f(x,y) = (xy(x^2 - y^2))/(x^2 + y^2) for (x,y) ≠ (0,0) and f(0,0) = 0 has a total differential at the point (0,0). Participants are exploring the continuity of partial derivatives and the conditions for the existence of a total differential.

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  • Participants discuss the continuity of partial derivatives and compute them at (0,0). There are attempts to evaluate limits to check the existence of the total differential. Some participants suggest using polar coordinates as an alternative approach, while others express uncertainty about specific limits and their implications.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the limits involved in proving the existence of the total differential. Some guidance has been offered regarding polar coordinates, but there is no explicit consensus on the existence of the total differential at (0,0).

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One participant notes a lack of familiarity with polar coordinates, indicating that their syllabus may not have covered them, which affects their approach to the problem.

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Hi,

I have this exercise to do:

Let's have function f defined as follows:

[tex] f(x,y) = \frac{xy(x^2 - y^2)}{x^2 + y^2},\ \ [x,y] \neq [0,0][/tex]

[tex] f(x,y) = 0,\ \ [x,y] = [0,0][/tex]

Find out, whether this function has total differential in [0,0].

Well, first I observed that partial derivatives aren't continuous in [0,0], which is what I expected.

So I computed them from the definition:

[tex] \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}(0,0) = \lim_{t \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(t,0) - f(0,0)}{t} = 0[/tex]

[tex] \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(0,0) = \lim_{t \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(0,t) - f(0,0)}{t} = 0[/tex]

So, if the total differential exists in [0,0], it must be zero linear transform.

Now I have to checkout, if such a transform satisfies the limit and thus it is total differential:

[tex] \lim_{||h|| \rightarrow 0} \frac{f((0,0) + h) - f(0,0) - L(h)}{||h||} = 0 ?[/tex]

If I rewrite it in a slightly different way ( I put [itex]h = (h_1,h_2)[/itex] and [itex]h_2 = kh_1[/itex], I get

[tex] \lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} \frac{\frac{kh_1^2(h_1^2 - k^2h_1^2)}{h_1^2(1+k^2}}{h_1\sqrt{1+k^2}} = \frac{k(1-k^2)}{\sqrt{(1+k^2)^3}} \lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} h_1[/tex]

Well, I don't know whether this goes to zero so I tried another way, ie. approaching [0,0] on the x-axis and thus putting [itex]h_2 = 0[/itex]

The limit I got was zero, so I can't say at this moment that the total differential doesn't exist in [0,0]. Anyway, according to right results our professor gave us, total differential doesn't exist in [0,0].

How could I prove that?

Thank you very much.
 
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Did your prof give any rationale for his or her assertion?
 
I don't know why you say you don't know whether
[tex]\lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} \frac{\frac{kh_1^2(h_1^2 - k^2h_1^2)}{h_1^2(1+k^2}}{h_1\sqrt{1+k^2}} = \frac{k(1-k^2)}{\sqrt{(1+k^2)^3}} \lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} h_1[/tex]
goes to 0- the part involving k is finite for all k while the limit
[tex]\lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} h_1[/tex]
is clearly 0.

Another way to handle a problem like this is to put it into polar coordinates. In polar coordinates, this reduces to
[tex]f(r,\theta)= r^2 sin(\theta)cos(\theta)cos(2\theta)[/tex]
which clearly is differentiable at the origin.
 
Halls,

That's what I did and the trig terms further simplify to [itex]\sin 4 \theta[/itex] (within a factor of 2) which makes the differentiation even easier.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I don't know why you say you don't know whether
[tex]\lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} \frac{\frac{kh_1^2(h_1^2 - k^2h_1^2)}{h_1^2(1+k^2}}{h_1\sqrt{1+k^2}} = \frac{k(1-k^2)}{\sqrt{(1+k^2)^3}} \lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} h_1[/tex]
goes to 0- the part involving k is finite for all k while the limit
[tex]\lim_{h_1 \rightarrow 0} h_1[/tex]
is clearly 0.
Another way to handle a problem like this is to put it into polar coordinates. In polar coordinates, this reduces to
[tex]f(r,\theta)= r^2 sin(\theta)cos(\theta)cos(2\theta)[/tex]
which clearly is differentiable at the origin.

Well, I don't know polar coordinates. Maybe we sometimes touched them but didn't have them in syllabus.

So I'm trying to do it in a non-elegant way :)

So I got to the point where I need to prove the zero limit involving the total differential.

That is, I need to prove that the following goes to zero as [itex]h = [h_1,h_2] \rightarrow [0,0][/itex]

[tex] \left|\frac{h_1h_2(h_1^2 - h_2^2)}{(h_1^2 + h_2^2)\sqrt{h_1^2 + h_2^2}}\right|[/tex]

Could you please give me some hint how to prove that? It would be sufficient to find there some part that would be bounded for all [itex]h_1,h_2[/itex] going to 0 and multiplying it with some zero part would give me the zero as the result.
 

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