A seemingly impossible problem from my teacher

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The discussion revolves around a geometric problem involving a square and a point located within it, with specific distances from the square's corners. Participants are tasked with determining the side length of the square based on these distances.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationships between the distances from the point to the square's corners, suggesting the use of geometric principles such as the law of cosines and the properties of circles. There are discussions about setting up equations based on these relationships and eliminating variables to solve for the side length.

Discussion Status

Several approaches have been proposed, including the use of cosine law and algebraic manipulation to find relationships between the angles and side lengths. While some participants have derived potential values for the side length, there is no explicit consensus on a single solution or method, indicating ongoing exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of working with limited information, specifically the absence of angle measures other than the right angles at the corners of the square. The problem is framed as a challenging exercise rather than a standard homework question.

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No its not homework, but my teacher (pre-cal) couldn't figure it out and neither can I, so see if you can!

I can't draw it so i'll explain it, pretty simple.

You have a square (ABCD) with a random point closest to the bottom-left corner of the square (it doesn't really matter which corner). The point is 3 units from A (the closest corner), 7 units from B (the point directly above A), and 5 units from D (the point directly right of A)

Keep in mind you don't no any angles except of course the 90 degrees of each corner.

Solve for - any side length!
 
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The point lies at the intersection of 3 circles centered on the given vertices with their respective radii. You have 3 equations and 3 unknowns (x, y, a) where a is the length of each side of the circle. You're only interested in a so you want to eliminate x and y.

After a quick run through I get [itex]a = 4[/itex] or [itex]a = 3 \sqrt {11}[/itex].
 
Let X be your point. Let x be the angle BXA, y is the angle DXA, and z is the angle DXB. Let s be the side length of your square. Using the cosine law, you know:

1) 2a² = 25 + 49 - 2(5)(7)cos(z)
2) a² = 9 + 25 - 2(3)(5)cos(y)
3) a² = 9 + 49 - 2(3)(7)cos(x)

Treat a², cos(x), cos(y), and cos(z) as your unknowns, then you have three linear equations in terms of 4 unknowns. You can then solve for all of them in terms of one of them, say cos(x).

But you also know that x + y + z = 2π, and that π/2 < x < π. With a bunch of messy algebra (it will boil down to solving a cubic polynomial with integer coefficients), or using a computer program, you can find a solution for cos(x), and hence a², and hence a.
 
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well, one triangle has sides 7, 3, a
another has sides 3, 5, a
a third has sides 7,5,a* sqrt {2}

you can use a lot of law of cosines, a big ugly heron formula for the whole square or some plain geometry. If i were to gwt this problem i'd go for the Cosines.
 
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