Volume of region bounded by cone and parabloid

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of the region bounded by a cone defined by the equation z=sqrt((x*x)+(y*y)) and a paraboloid defined by z=(x*x)+(y*y). Participants explore the setup of integrals necessary to find this volume, including considerations of coordinate systems and intersections of the surfaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Adi expresses difficulty in solving the volume problem and requests assistance.
  • One participant suggests an integral setup but does not clarify the variables involved.
  • Another participant corrects the interpretation of the angle, noting that Pi/6 radians corresponds to 30 degrees.
  • A participant identifies the intersection points of the cone and paraboloid and suggests using polar coordinates to simplify the volume calculation.
  • In cylindrical coordinates, the bounding surfaces are described, and the volume is derived from the difference between the two surfaces, leading to a proposed integral setup.
  • The final calculation presented involves evaluating the integral from 0 to 1 and concludes with a volume of Pi/6.

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There is no consensus on the initial setup of the integrals, and participants express differing views on the correct approach to the problem. Some participants agree on the use of polar coordinates, while others challenge earlier claims regarding the integral setup.

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Participants have not fully resolved the setup of the integrals, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding the variables and coordinate systems used. The discussion reflects various interpretations of the problem without a definitive agreement on the method.

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I don't know if anyone will be able to help me, I am really stuck on this question!

"Show that the volume of the region bounded by the cone
z=sqrt((x*x)+(y*y)) and the parabloid z=(x*x)+(y*y) is
PI/6"

The bits in the brackets (ie x*x and y*y) are x squared and y squared respectively and sqrt is square root.

Any help would be very much appreciated!

Cheers,

Adi
 
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[tex] \int \sqrt{(x^2 + y^2)} - (x^2 + y^2) dx<br /> =~30\deg[/tex]
 
Originally posted by PrudensOptimus
[tex] \int \sqrt{(x^2 + y^2)} - (x^2 + y^2) dx<br /> =~30\deg[/tex]

30 degrees?
 
Pi/6 is not 30 degrees. Pi/6 radians is 30 degrees. And you set up the integral wrong. There's more than one variable.
 
Those two guys intersect at z=1, directly above the circle (on the x-y plane) x2 + y2 = 1, and at the origin.
Within that region, (i.e. inside the cylinder x2 + y2 = 1) the surface of the cone lies above the surface of the paraboloid, so you want the volume bounded by the cone, the cylinder, and the plane z=0
MINUS the volume bounded by the cylinder, the paraboloid, and the plane z=0.

Put your two equations into polar coordinate form & you'll have two very simple double integrals that will give you the result you're looking for.
 
In cylindrical coordinates (in other words, the polar coordinates gnome recommended), the bounding surfaces are z= &radic;(r2)= r (since r is positive in polar coordinates) and z= r2. You "z-difference" between the two surfaces is r- r2. The differential in polar coordinates is r dr d&theta;. Since there is no &theta; in the integrand and we have circular symmetry, the integral with respect to theta is 2&pi;. This is the integral 2&pi;(r2- r3)dr. The anti derivative of r2- r3 is (1/3)r3- (1/4)4.

Since z= r and z= r2 intersect at r= 1, the integration is from 0 to 1. (1/3)r3- (1/4)4 evaluated between 0 and 1 is (1/3)- (1/4)= 1/12.

The volume is 2&pi;/12= &pi;/6.
 
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