Maximizing Product Inequalities with a Subset of Numbers

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The problem involves a set of 100 positive real numbers, where the product of any 11 distinct numbers is greater than 1. The goal is to demonstrate that the product of all 100 numbers is also greater than 1.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of having the largest number set aside and its relationship to the other numbers. There is a debate about the minimum number of numbers greater than 1, with one participant questioning the mathematical justification for claiming that at least 10 numbers must be greater than 1.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the largest number and the necessity of having numbers greater than 1 in any subset of 11. However, there is no explicit consensus on the exact number of elements greater than 1.

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Participants are grappling with the assumptions about the distribution of numbers less than or equal to 1 and how that affects the overall product. There is uncertainty regarding the maximum number of elements that can be less than or equal to 1 while still satisfying the condition of the problem.

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Hi, I've just picked up the following problem and got stuck...although seems easy.

You have 100 positive real numbers. The product of each 11 of them (11 different) is greater than 1. Show that the product of all hundred numbers is greater than 1.

Please, give me a hint first.
Thanks :smile:
 
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Set the largest number aside (it must be greater than 1, since otherwise any product of 11 will be <1). You have now 9 distinct sets of 11, all products >1, therefore product of 99 >1, multiply in the set aside number and you're done.
 
OK, great thanks! It's clear now! :smile:

So in particular it means that we have at least 10, and not 9, numbers greater than 1, doesn't it?
I'm arguing with my friend about that......because he insists on 9!

How can we show mathematically, I mean more formally, that 10 is right...that the largest number is greater than 1? :smile:
 
Far more than 10 of them are greater than 1. Any set of 11 will have a number greater than 1, no matter how you choose this subset. If you had 90 numbers less than 1, you'd have plenty of ways to pick a subset of 11 whose product is less than 1.

Try to answer from this direction: what's the most that you can have less than (or equal to) 1?
 
Far more than 10 of them are greater than 1. Any set of 11 will have a number greater than 1, no matter how you choose this subset. If you had 90 numbers less than 1, you'd have plenty of ways to pick a subset of 11 whose product is less than 1.

Try to answer from this direction: what's the most that you can have less than (or equal to) 1?

Is it right if I say 50/50?...I mean if 51 numbers are <1 than the whole product will be <1?
 

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