Calculating Moment of Inertia for an Asymmetrical Barbell Shape

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia for an asymmetrical barbell shape, specifically focusing on a design intended for satellite thrust impulses. Participants explore various methods and assumptions related to the geometry and mass distribution of the object.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the barbell shape as having two ends with different masses (9 kg and 5.59 kg) and a massless boom, seeking assistance in calculating the moment of inertia.
  • Another participant details the geometry of the barbell, stating that the two halves are octagonal prisms and assumes uniform mass distribution due to the absence of internal hardware.
  • A participant suggests that empirical determination of the moment of inertia may be possible if the structure is built, questioning the feasibility of calculations.
  • There is a clarification regarding the symmetry of the octagonal prisms and their alignment with the boom's axis, confirming an eightfold rotational symmetry.
  • One participant proposes simplifying the calculation by treating the end masses as point masses, providing a mathematical approach to find the center of gravity based on torque balance.
  • Another suggestion is made to use Pro-E software to model the structure and compute the moment of inertia directly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and assumptions for calculating the moment of inertia, but no consensus is reached on a definitive approach or solution. Multiple competing views and techniques remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about mass distribution and the geometry of the barbell shape are not fully resolved, and the discussion includes various mathematical steps that are not universally agreed upon.

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I am trying to find the moment of inertia for an assymetrical barbell shape. The mass as one end of the 2 meter boom is 9kg and at the other is 5.59kg. The boom or rod is a balloon-like tube and I am going to assume it is massless. I am using this information to calculate thrust impulses for a satellite. Can you help? Thanks.
 
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Thanks for the reply,

The two halves are octogonal prisms with height 9" and a distance of 18" vertex to vertex. We are assuming for now that the mass is evenly distributed about the volume, because hardware hasn't been placed within it. However, the Icm will remain blanced for all angles about the axis of lowest inertia (that running lengthwise through the boom).

I could use the shape of a point masses or spherical masses separated by a massless rod, but I was curious about doing it as the actual shape. Any comments?
 
Is the thing built already?

If you can't calculate it, you should be able to empirically determine it (assuming it isn't too delicate).
 
Regular right octagonal prisms? (i.e., a volume swept out by vertically translating a regular octagon?)

Do you mean, the boom runs through the symmetry axes of the prisms, so the entire structure has a (eightfold) rotational symmetry about the boom axis?


correct on both of your comments, Ambitwistor

I will look into your suggestions as soon as I have time to get back to this. (School is busy right now)

enigma,

The satellite isn't built yet - still on the design board. In the future, we will find its inertial properties with a rigid boom and placed components.

thanks, for the ideas. If you have any more I'll check back.
 
The simplest thing to do- and it will probably be pretty accurate- is to assume that the two end masses are "point masses". That is, that their mass is concentrated at a point at the end of the barbell.

Let "x" be the distance from the 9 kg mass end to the center of gravity. Then there is a "torque" (twisting force) around the center of gravity of 9gx (g is the acceleration of gravity so that 9g is the weight). Since the boom has length two meters, the distance from the other, 5.59 kg mass, at the other end, to the center of gravity is 2- x meters. The torque around the center of gravity due to that weight is 5.59g(2-x). In order that the two "balance" (which is the whole point of "center of gravity"), we must have 5.59g(2-x)= 9gx. Of course, the "g"s cancel and we have 11.18- 5.59x= 9x so the equation is 14.59x= 11.18 or x= .77. The center of gravity is approximately 0.77 meters from the heavier 9 kg end.
 
You know, I think you can actually build the thing in Pro-E and have it compute the moment of inertia for you.
 

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