Internal Forces (Engineering Mechanics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating internal forces at point J of a frame involving pulleys in an engineering mechanics context. Participants explore the implications of tension in cable sections, the nature of joints, and the methodology for analyzing internal forces.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the tension in section C-E of the cable is also 90 lb and inquires about the tension in section C-D.
  • Another participant clarifies that points J and K are not joints and suggests cutting the member at point J to find internal forces.
  • A different participant mentions the need to find reactions and suggests cutting member BE at point J to solve for shear force and flexionant moment.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that pulleys may not need to be considered, focusing instead on forces around the member at point J.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding the vertical component of the force acting on frame B, having already determined the horizontal component.
  • Another participant proposes finding joint forces at point E on member AE to derive the vertical component of the reaction at B on member BE.
  • A participant claims to have calculated the vertical component of the reaction force at 45 lb, seeking confirmation of its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the approach to solving the problem, particularly regarding the treatment of pulleys and the identification of joints. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions regarding the mass of the pulleys and the labeling of forces at point E. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the calculations of forces and reactions.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and professionals in engineering mechanics, particularly those interested in internal force analysis and structural mechanics.

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problem says knowing radius of each pulley to be 7.2 in, neglect friction, find internal forces at point J of the frame.

1st question that I have is whether the tension in section C-E of the cable also 90 lb? how about section C-D. Also, in my diagram of each of the members, I don't know how to label forces at point E where two long members and the pulley meet.

Finally, can someone gimme an idea how to go about doing this problem?
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Are points J and K joints? I think they are assuming pulleys have mass.
 
Yes, I'm familiar with internal forces [resultants of the stresses] (axial, shear and flexionant moment). First is to find the reactions and simply cut BE member at J, and solve for the shear force and flexionant moment.
 
I believe you don't need to take pulleys into consideration you just find all the force around the member where point J is.
Then you just cut at point J and calculate everything again
 
I'm having trouble finding the vertical component of the force acting on frame B...any ideas? I set the moment about A zero and I was able to find the horizontal component of the force acting on frame B.
 
Find the joint forces (E point) on the AE member then use them to find the vertical component of the reaction at B on the BE member.
 
I got 45 lb for the vertical component of the reaction force. is that right? :confused:
 
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